Al-Anon Promotion and Propaganda in Orihuela Spain - The gateway cult is expanding Internationally

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Submitted by JR Harris on Sun, 06/10/2012 - 14:41

It looks like an everyday Public Service Announcement (PSA) offering help to those who are concerned about the drinking of a loved one. It does not explain what Al-Anon does. It does not explain that you will be joining a cult that has ritual ceremonies asking you to pray to any false god you choose. It also does not explain that you will be told to disassociate from your loved one for their own good and that you will be urged to get your loved one into the cult of Alcoholics Anonymous and they will be spending all of their time looking for prospects for Alcoholics Anonymous which you will be expected to join in on. It also doesn't tell you that you will be considered "sick" because of your loved ones drinking. The only way you are going to find this out is if you go to one of the chanting rituals. I do have to wonder if Al-Anon, like Alcoholics Anonymous only has a 5% retention rate and that 95% of the people run from the cult as soon as they have a chance.

ALCOHOLISM – THE FAMILY ILLNESS

Contributor / 2012-06-10 15:20:21

The Al-Anon Family Groups have one purpose – to help families, relatives and friends whose lives have been affected by someone else’s drinking.

If you are concerned with someone else’s drinking or you grew up with a problem drinker Al-Anon is for you. If your alcoholic is in recovery or a member of Alcoholics Anonymous and is sober - Al-Anon can still help, as with sobriety there still can be problems. Al-Anon helps us grasp the idea that alcoholism is a disease –physical, emotional and spiritual. We learn that we did not cause the alcoholic to drink, we cannot control the drinking nor can we cure the alcoholic - what we can do through Al-Anon is find support and a way to lead our lives.

Compulsive drinking affects the drinker – it affects the drinker’s relationships – it affects our lives. These special relationships in which a person is really close to an alcoholic can be the ones affected the most – the people who care are the ones who get caught up in the behavioural problems of another person. They react to an alcoholic’s behaviour. They see that the drinking is spiralling out of control and they try to control it. They are ashamed of the public scenes, the gossip, the unpaid bills and in private they try to handle it and hold everything together.

At an Al-Anon Family Group meeting you will no longer be alone – you will find a warm and genuine welcome from those who understand. Only a person who has lived with an alcoholic or the effects of alcoholism can truly understand the mental anguish, the loneliness, the uncertainty and despair that goes with it – in Al-Anon meetings you will be able to talk to people who understand. Al-Anon is an anonymous fellowship – the identities and everything heard or spoken in any Al-Anon meeting is confidential.

For more information about Al-Anon on the Orihuela Costa phone 692799318 between 9am and 9pm or please visit our Open Al-Anon meeting on June 24th, 1pm at Rocajuna – a solution is waiting there for you.

Source: http://www.theleader.info/article/34724/spain/national/alcoholism-the-fa...

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NoAAUK

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 15:01

repeated

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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becket

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 11:21

If you believe it's bullshit then walk away. Completely walk away.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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NoAAUK

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 15:12

I did walk away last time I was at a stepper cult meeting, I could see plainly it was bullshit and didn't appear to be doing many people at the meeting much good either. The speaker woman was reciting the "they told me....I want what they've got (?)....character defect” speech and crying. What’s the point in continually making the same speeches that make you cry? Whats the point in attending or partaking in something that makes you unhappy? You do that if you are trapped in a mind control cult

When I first got involved in steppism I thought it was all true, that I was doomed to die if I didn't go to AA meetings and do the steps, 30 years of NOT working the steps and mostly NOT going to AA later.............

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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alkieanon

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 20:33

"What’s the point in continually making the same blog/forum comments that make you sound like you're crying and whining? What's the point in constantly complaining or bellyaching about something that makes you unhappy? You do that if you are trapped in a mind control cult."

patti

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 17:48

DITTO!!!

patti

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Trisha K.

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 18:12

and why are you cussing so much lately. Where did this sweet demure attitude go. Can this possibly be the real HS....lol. I don't think so.
Al-anon serves a purpose for people who have suffered from the effects of alcohol through their love ones. My grandmother learned a great deal and then she moved on.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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avogadno

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 21:29

Crock a shit is right. They told my hubby that he should call the cops, have them pull me over, and have me arrested because "she will" have drugs in the car. This was while I was attending outpatient treatment. The center had suggested he go to Al-Anon for support. As if getting me thrown in jail would help anything.

And I was getting clean at the time and being tested regularly. He never went back having had sniffed out their manipulating and controlling tendencies.

Sure sign of a cult: Trying to pull families apart.

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Trisha K.

Tue, 06/12/2012 - 15:19

Were these NA members, family members, friends, people who knew you or professional people?

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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JR Harris

Tue, 06/12/2012 - 15:23

Can't you read? Or are you just trying to derail and pick on Avo, like you do on all of her posts?

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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Orange

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 11:44

"Just walk away" is not always the answer.
"If you don't like slavery, just walk away."
"If you don't like the Nazis taking over all of Europe, just walk away."
"If you don't like A.A. taking over the rehab business, just walk away."

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becket

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 12:26

If every human behavior is distilled to nothing but a matter of choice, as is claimed on this forum by the vast majority of posters, then walking away should not be a problem.

I find the comparisons between the 12 steps and slavery and Nazism hyperbolic at best. Until people can get - and teach - some perspective on the various components of recovery, this is just an exercise in kvetching. It is circular whining without purpose, tedious and sophomoric.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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causeandeffect

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 12:49

Well, I guess you're just powerless over our "kvetching" and that must really suck for you! LOL!

Troll free AA critical forum
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becket

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:13

It makes no difference either way. I'd think it would suck for you, because you're the ones who are spinning your wheels.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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causeandeffect

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:23

Ah, playing concern troll again, becket? : )

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becket

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 15:42

What does this mean, causeandeffect? I'm not playing any role here. Just giving word to my observations.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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alkieanon

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 19:46

Been waiting for someone to bust loose with that definition. Here's another one:

"I do believe that [fill in the blank spot] needs help to stop the infiltration of the cult of Alcoholics Anonymous into its [blah], [blah] and [blah] systems."

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Persephone In Exile

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 12:52

Kvetching is usually regarded as much more than mere bitching, actually. Frequently as a therapeutic airing of mutual grievances within a group. If the circular "whining" really serves no purpose in any arena, then you'd have to discount the constant drunkalogues one must endure in meetings as well. After all, these are just rehashing and complaining endlessly about problems that are (frequently) long in the past. What's the point? Just walk away, right? (And no, I'm not comparing this forum and posting here to being in meetings, but I can't leave such a cavalier description of kvetching without responding.)

http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/

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becket

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:23

A kvetch is a person who complains a great deal. I don't know why you think kvetching is "usually regarded as much more than mere bitching" - it's simply chronic or habitual complaining. There is nothing in the etymology of the word that suggests any connection to "a therapeutic airing of mutual grievances within a group." That is more language devolution and co-opting of terms for special interests. I have not used the word kvetching with the least cavalier attitude. Unless you grew up in a Yiddish home and your mother was on your ass night and day about complaining, you really don't have any reason to consider the term one of any particularly concentrated scorn or contempt.

Drunkalogues are a drag, agreed. I don't discount them, like I don't discount much of the whining on this forum. But a drag, yes.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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Persephone In Exile

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 14:11

I guess Becket hasn't read "Born to Kvetch" (to say the least).

http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/

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becket

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 17:02

I have not read "Born To Kvetch", I've never heard of it, I don't know who it may have been written by. If you'd like to enlighten, please feel free. " . . . to day the least" was really gratuitous, don't you think?

This definition of "kvetching" - is this yet another co-opting of a word into the language of Treatmentese so you cannot tell the actual meaning anymore?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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JR Harris

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 15:58

we can just walk away from. http://orange-papers.org/forum/node/1657

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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alkieanon

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 20:36

Promoting your own blog/forum posts. Bump!

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JR Harris

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 20:43

The post you are referring to above is in response to becket when she tried to derail the thread I STARTED, like you are trying to do right now.

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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alkieanon

Tue, 06/12/2012 - 06:57

You started with a blog post, but you derailed yourself with a forum post of your own. And a bogus one at that.

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NoAAUK

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 15:22

"If every human behavior is distilled to nothing but a matter of choice, as is claimed on this forum by the vast majority of posters, then walking away should not be a problem"

People on this forum HAVE walked away, nothing to do with choice, we now know steppism is just an evil, lying, scaremongering, predatory cult, created by two deviants and in view of their occult activities, quite probably at the behest of satan itself

Its the people out there who are still trapped in the cult that concern us. Thats really what this website is about, not arguing with cult truebelievers, but helping their victims

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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becket

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 16:56

Then why are you on this forum, sobbing about predators and scaremongering? You never left. If you had it would be out of your mind and within your control. As it is, your mind is still being occupied by anger and alleged pain. You're not free of it.

Make that choice, NoAAUK. Walk away. Put it out of your life instead of focusing such attention on it. You think you're helping "victims". Victims of what, exactly? If using and drinking are nothing but a choice, then there is no such thing as dependence or coercion to attend meetings or unwittingly slipping under the influence of AA criminals. It's all a choice. You can't have it both ways. Were you coerced into going to AA? If the answer is "no", then your attendance was inspired by your very own decision to go. Why did you feel a need or desire to go? Because you had a problem with alcohol? This forum nearly uniformly believes that an alcohol problem is one that begins with a decision to drink, a choice to drink, and that to stop is also an act of will. You decided not to go to AA any longer, and that's fine. That was your choice. But to allow your bad feelings to fester as they obviously do - which, by the way, is hardly helpful to one seeking insight instead of another kvetch buddy - is also a choice. You've made a decision to stay angry. No one has coerced you to stay angry. You are volunteering. I submit you are not free. You should just walk away from it. Anyone not doing something genuinely constructive with their anger should at the very least walk away from it. And I have not read anything that I find particularly constructive about the way you are processing any of it.

If you think people are trapped in a "cult", call the cops. If you can see that lots and lots of people want to be in this "cult", stand back and let them be there. If you can see that many people might leave on their own, let them do so of their own accord. Their lives are not yours to live. Your infringing on their preferences with your own view of what they should and shouldn't do is invasive. Live your own life. That ought to be plenty to tackle.

"People on this forum HAVE walked away, nothing to do with choice". Then who made them do it?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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steve cochrane

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 21:55

for passion Becket. I cannot speak for anyone but myself,but I did indeed walk away from AA. In fact I was in a service position on a Thurs. morning making coffee and setting up the meeting room the very day that I walked. When I did so I knew it would be my last time. No more rooms,no more meetings, no more shares,no more 10th step metings, no more 1st step meetings,no more 12&12. No more daily reflections. I had had it. I went to AA a number of years ago. I needed help with a problem I had. I had heard that AA could help me. Not just some word on the street. Some of my family were involved as well. I did everything that I was told. In fact one of the first things that I WAS told was to take direction. I did that. You see Becket I was what the BB says was The REAL Alcoholic. This direction consisted of well you know. You know every fucking thing now don't you? Well guess what Becket? It didn't work. I tried and tried and yes I relapsed. Just as it said I would in the BB. You see AA covers its ass at every corner. If IT doesn't work its because I have something MORE wrong with me other than that damn spiritual malady that was causing it all in the first place. The program failed me because I wasn;t being honest . BULLSHIT! But here's the kicker. The BB says that I must give myself to this simple program and turn my (will) AND my life over to the care of God. This is supposed to help me with my drinking? How exactly is that supposed to work? I believe in God by the way so that didn't explain it. So what was it? Did I not believe in the right God? What kind of God was it that could help me with this problem of mine? You see Becket my belief is that God does not exist to solve my problems. He has given us wonderful things from the beginning and we squander many of them. We mistreat each other,lies on top of lies. My problems are man made and began a long time ago when I was being raised, and I had to figure it out. And I did. I could not have done that had I remained in AA. Because at the root of my problem was real human behavior,affecting me in ways that charted my course in life. Affected the decisions that I made,the type of relationships that I got into and so on. I have now come to understand these things and reconciled with these real life incidents.We all have them. Good and bad. Sometimes very bad. This only part of my story but the point that I am trying to make is that there is a story for each of us. I wanted to stop living in my story. I needed to stop living in my story if I was going to survive. AA does not allow you to heal. Confessing,character defects,always taking the blame first,is not conducive to improving ones self image. In fact it does the opposite. Oh sure you can stay safe within the "herd" if you want. I did not want to belong to any herd. I just wanted help with my problem with alcohol. AA did not cut the mustard. There are many people like me out there. This all this forum is supposed to be about. But you and others choose to make it something else. Re read your post to NoAAUK above me. What kind of an asshole are you Becket? No one here attacks unless they are provoked. You have a history of doing that on this forum. You insult people all the time. Grow the fuck up will ya? He was not attacking you. He was talking about AA. Why do you have to attack him like this? If we want to speak about our beliefs concerning AA so what!! Why should you or any other of you give a fuck? If AA is the panacea that you pro people believe that it is then what are YOU doing here? You see Becket, AA is the gorilla in the room,the Behemoth,The Big Kahuna right? At least that is how society sees it. It represents conventional wisdom right? I mean as far as the rehab (industry) goes. I think its bullshit and so do a growing number of other people. This is what this forum is for, For people seeking an alternative to AA not for you guys who consatntly keep AAs foot jammed in the doorway not allowing us to shut the fucking door on yo ass!! People just get tired of you and Clara,and Alkie and ( Bitch slap JJ) you remember using that term JJ? Try bringing that shit my way why don't ya? Oh by the way my forum persona in no way represents who I am outside of this forum. You guys have a good day now. Peace

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becket

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 23:18

Steve, I'll get back to this tomorrow a.m. It's just too late to take on your 60,000- word single paragraph.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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steve cochrane

Tue, 06/12/2012 - 02:25

maybe you can give me some lessons. I almost ran out of breath.

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avogadno

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 23:41

Hey Steve, we don't hear from you too often but when you stop in you have a message worth reading. A+ this time. I guess I'm a bit biased though because I had the same problem as you. I didn't believe that God would solve my problems either. When my stepper counselor suggested that I choose another HP, as if that is even possible, I was astounded. It's religiously invasive. Suggesting that they have all the answers but it has to be done exactly their way and you will recieve divine intervention is another cult characteristic. Deviate from their "suggestions" and you will die. How horrible.

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Trisha K.

Tue, 06/12/2012 - 15:15

@AVOGADNO!!!

Avo wrote:
"Hey Steve, we don't hear from you too often but when you stop in you have a message worth reading. A+ this time".

You are too funny. So now you like people who threaten physical violence and verbally debase others. So long as you are physically threating and verbally debasing those other people here....right!! A+ Steve!!!

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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Trisha K.

Tue, 06/12/2012 - 04:53

You are full of anger. I think at least 2 times you threaten physical violence, you cussed and called several members inflammatory names.
So please go smoke a big fatty and chill out.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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NoAAUK

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 15:34

"I find the comparisons between the 12 steps and slavery and Nazism hyperbolic at best"

Other people do see comparisons between faith healing (of which steppism is a form) and Nazism, even on documentaries:-

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/question-of-miracles-faith-healing/

Part 2 15.47

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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becket

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 16:57

Greeeaaaaatttt! Thanks for sharing.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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JR Harris

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 15:38

The fellowship of the KKK wants to adopt a 1 mile stretch of Highway in Georgia - you can't just ignore them - June 11, 2012 -- Updated 2033 GMT (0433 HKT)
http://orange-papers.org/forum/node/1657

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

billybudd

Tue, 06/12/2012 - 06:05

But you might have to impress a figurative flair on your strut. In mid-nineteenth century southern America one could walk north. In mid-twentieth century Europe one could walk on a boat. In the rehab business walk to a competitor, let the market sort out the facts. Failure and disappointment is always possible where ever you're headed; so you could walk toward "God" on the straight road of piety and humility. You could stomp around, kick up dust, and be a famous e-scourge. Heck, goose-stepping in formation and frog-marching in chains are still walking. Moon-walk, walk the line, tread air, walk on air, head over heels, ... , the options are limitless. Walking is always an answer. I believe I'll take a hike today - literally.

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Orange

Tue, 06/12/2012 - 14:58

Oh, and something else that occurred to me was:

"The only thing required for evil men to rule the world is for good men to do nothing."

"Just walk away" is not the answer to all problems, nor is it the answer to Alcoholics Anonymous and what it is doing.

billybudd

Tue, 06/12/2012 - 15:13

Head for the hills, dust my broom, make tracks ...

The "evil men do" is part and parcel coiners of trite aphorisms.

Truth: right now got back. There are no worries at 10,000 feet that me and the turkey families and bears and rustling leaves can't solve but by realizing that the petty concerns of "man" are fleeting and just that - petty.

"Nothing", in the grand scheme, is all each of us is allotted to do. Sorry.

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jonnijoy

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 12:11

Heres one I know you remember O http://youtu.be/3rlaF16gLF4

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jonnijoy

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 12:21

st forward 30 years http://youtu.be/DpMbR8jWZ6A

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