Death Cult

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Submitted by dolson on Fri, 06/08/2012 - 12:55

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AA teaches self loathing and death, which are the basis of the 12 steps of Wilsonism. The 12 slippery steps are mind bending dogma. They do not address alcohol dependence or abuse.

AA doctrine teaches that you are a self centered social retard.

Selfishness - self centeredness! That, we think, is the root of our troubles.
Alcoholics Anonymous Edition 4 page 62

AA doctrine teaches that you are fatally flawed, helpless, and threatens you with death. It also proclaims that only a death dealing God will spare you. Remember that AA is a Nazi inspired, death worship cult.

Above everything, we alcoholics must be rid of this selfishness. We must, or it kills us! God makes that possible.
Alcoholics Anonymous Edition 4 page 62

And

We had to have God's help.
Alcoholics Anonymous Edition 4 page 62

Yet more AA doctrine that declares you to be a defective, faulty, and worthless human being. They make yet more threats about death and self destruction. AA relentlessly mind fucks you.

Resentment is the "number one" offender. It destroys more alcoholics than anything else. From it stem all forms of spiritual disease, for we have been not only mentally and physically ill, we have been spiritually sick.
Alcoholics Anonymous Edition 4 page 66

Then

It is plain that a life which includes deep resentment leads to only to futility and unhappiness.
Alcoholics Anonymous Edition 4 page 66

And

this business of resentment is infinitely grave. We found it is fatal.
Alcoholics Anonymous Edition 4 page 66

Plus

The insanity of alcohol returns and we drink again. and with us, to drink is to die.
Alcoholics Anonymous Edition 4 page 66

Finally

We bagan to see that the world and its people really dominated us. In that state, the wrong doing of others, fancied or real, had power to actually kill.

Alcoholics Anonymous is a 1930's Nazi inspired, death worship cult. Where you are declared worthless and flawed. Within the purview of 4 pages, you are threatened with destruction and death, no less than nine times. There are another 564 pages to go, minus forwards, letters, and appendices. If you are in AA, run away as fast as you can. Only relapse and suicide await you there. If you have not yet attended an AA meeting, avoid this cult as you would the plague.

I am not chicken little, and the sky is falling.

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Orange

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 13:49

Oh yeh. And then it got even better in Bill's second book. My favorite is:

Unless each A.A. member follows to the best of his ability our suggested [Bill Wilson's required] Twelve Steps to recovery, he almost certainly signs his own death warrant. His drunkenness and dissolution are not penalties inflicted by people in authority; they result from his personal disobedience to spiritual principles [Bill Wilson's cult religion practices].
Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions, William G. Wilson, page 174.

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Trisha K.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 17:20

Contradictory I would say.
Let's see, Bill is a lowlife scum sucking, LSD taking, womanizing, power tripping, ego maniac, greedy bastard.....BUT!!!.....Bill should be held to this lofty position so we can hurl stones at him for not being omnipotent, like he should have been.
Damn that Bill, he is such a "tool".

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dolson

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 22:30

Fuck off danny.

Go ahead, enjoy yourselves - it's getting late, much later than you think.

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becket

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 12:48

This is your most thoughtful response, dolson.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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dolson

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 14:25

When it comes to dealing with a convicted rapist felon, absolutely marietta. You have a love for criminals old Scrotch?

Go ahead, enjoy yourselves - it's getting late, much later than you think.

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becket

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 18:09

Where is Marietta?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
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Persephone In Exile

Tue, 06/12/2012 - 12:30

Sometimes I miss old Marietta. I mean, I kicked everyone else I know who acted like her out of my life permanently. It was kind of nice to see the ultimate example of a bad example every time I logged on here. Kept me on the straight and narrow, so to speak.

http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/

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causeandeffect

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 14:44

The best time to get out of the death cult is before you even get in so the wilson fulfilling prophecy doesn't take hold. After that serious deprogramming is highly recommended or you may just drink yourself to death.

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live_free_or_die

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 18:14

is that AA kills people, unfortunately.

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NOT AA:
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Fri, 06/08/2012 - 23:28

That is what you want to hear. So that is what you hear. That does not mean what you hear is what was said.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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live_free_or_die

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 00:54

Thanks for clearing that up. I REALLY appreciate it.

You are right, of course, judge.

I am the only one that takes the position that AA kills people.

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http://bereanresearch.com/
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
NOT AA:
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http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/

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becket

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 12:47

You call that a "position"? With what do you support it?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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dolson

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 14:23

That is what you want to hear. So that is what you hear. That does not mean what you hear is what was said.

Kidding allowed (except for btnben)

Then pray tell old geyser, what does this posted essay mean? What does the highlighted aa literature mean? Do the words death and destruction mean something else in wilson land? Come on old man, put the schlitz down and answer the question.

Go ahead, enjoy yourselves - it's getting late, much later than you think.

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Sun, 06/10/2012 - 17:48

"Old geyser"?? That's a scream! If you don't understand what I've written, a remedial reading couse is in order.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

patti

Tue, 06/12/2012 - 08:12

this is just crazy, you determine that someone else has misinterpreted information because their interpretation is different than your pro AA interpretation. 95% interpret AA info as inefficient & not viable. there are only 5% & less of you, that go along with the psycho babble, the faith healing, the silliness & stupidity of the steps as an effective way to quit an alcohol, drug or cigarette addiction. but you somehow blame the 95% for misinterpreting? it's just craziness, not sane or rational & that's how the majority of people interpret it, it is what it is.

patti

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Sat, 06/16/2012 - 01:27

"That is what you want to hear. So that is what you hear"

I didn't want my friends to die in AA

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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Sat, 06/16/2012 - 01:37

Nobody wants their friends to die, NoAAUK. But they died, didn't they? And the suicides did that to themselves for reasons only they could understand. Probably their reasons were good in those moments, but I can't imagine they would stand up now, even in their own eyes. Yet it is simplistic to blame anyone's behavior on AA. It wouldn't make sense to blame schizophrenia on AA. Those who commit suicide are in an altered state, just like the schizophrenic. It feels sensible to them, it feels like the solution to every problem or like the ultimate pain killer, but we know it's not. What we know has no bearing on their behavior. They are acting upon their own truths, and truth is not simply what someone else tells us. It is memories and experiences and lessons and a whole lot of other stuff all packed into the soul.

I'm sorry your friends died, and I'm sorry mine died, too. I don't think it's a good thing to search for the causes because we will never know why they did it. That went down with them in their heart of hearts. As those left behind, we are angry and we want to point the finger and blame it on someone or something. There is no blame. It was a decision made by the person who owed the life. It was his or hers to do with as chosen. Their choice leaves us wondering, but I don't blame anyone or anything. They were done living. Some people experience life in such an amplified way that it becomes intolerable. If you're a praying man, pray. If not, then keep them in your memory, and learn.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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Fri, 06/08/2012 - 21:16

dolson says: "... the sky is falling." Just Venus in transit.
live_free_or_die says: "... I think[LOL!] ... AA kills people ...." INDY.

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dolson

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 22:09

Having a few brews tonight Johnny? Enjoy, just don't drink and drive.

Go ahead, enjoy yourselves - it's getting late, much later than you think.

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alkieanon

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 23:21

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becket

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 23:31

What you need, dolson, is a steel-plated umbrella.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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dolson

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 11:07

My heart is sent a flutter by your concern for my needs old man.

Go ahead, enjoy yourselves - it's getting late, much later than you think.

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dolson

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 14:18

Notice how the usual suspects and agents of wilsonism have appeared to employ the usual deflect, attack, and derail tactics. When confronted with the literature that defines the very essence of their beloved death worship cult, they cannot offer any logic, or legitimate reply. No sane person can refute the written evidence presented. Yet the apologists of wilsonism never stop trying.

To all you aa loving douche bags. I do not want what you have.

Go ahead, enjoy yourselves - it's getting late, much later than you think.

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alkieanon

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 17:01

Notice how the usual suspects and agents of hate have appeared to employ the usual distort, attack, and derail tactics. When confronted with the literature that defines the very essence of recovery, they can only offer peanut gallery commentary. An insane person can only belittle the written evidence presented. Yet the haters of recovery never stop trying.

To all you aa hating "D" bags. the door is always open, the coffee is hot, and there's a seat for you.

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Sun, 06/10/2012 - 17:06

I see you are taking the personal attack stance again and not refuting any information with verifiable facts, of course you never really have shown any facts or sources, just links to absolutely nothing.

Congratulations, I believe you may have lowered yourself to a new level...........

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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alkieanon

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 17:40

Find it amusing when one writes an obviously slanted comment and the ensuing "hear, hear" burst forth. But when someone else takes that same comment and replaces a few choice words with polar opposites, the "boo birds" come out to roost.

There are no facts here on OPF, just opinions. LOL!

JR Harris says: "Congratulations, I believe you may have lowered yourself to a new level..........." Staring right back at you, eyeball to eyeball.

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becket

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 18:07

What, with a cursory nod to Scientology? Where's your in-depth analysis of Scientology literature and philosophy? What? You say you haven't provided your skewed version of that because you've been so busy on the AA Hate Train that you just haven't had time?

What percentage of your posts have directly and thoroughly addressed your opinions on Scientology or Jonestown, The Church of Bible Understanding, The Manson Family, Aum Shinrikyo, Restoration of the 10 Commandments, Raelism, The Order of the Solar Temple, Heaven's Gate, the Branch Davidians, or the Unification Church? Have you really made a complete analytical and comparative study of all these "popular" cults? No. No, you have not. Exposure means study. You haven't done so. You hide behind Scientology and Jonestown because of their recognizable name value, but you do NOTHING to expose any of these cults.

I would love to read a post by you that doesn't contain lies and deceit, one that does not demand tacit support from the other anti-AA posters here because they feel you're doing some sort of heavy lifting in the verification department. You are sick, man.

What a joke. What a travesty. What a lie.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

patti

Tue, 06/12/2012 - 08:19

AA doesn't work over 95% of the time as an effective way to cease an addiction. People who attend AA become desperate, depressed & are more prone to suicide due to those feelings than people who do not attend. These are not lies or deceit. There isn't anything wrong with hating, nothing @ all, it's part of the human condition & a part of life. Hating AA, there isn't anything wrong with hating AA. Why not hate AA? Why not hate a con man who died a millionaire by scamming, cheating, lying & exploiting & abusing down trodden addicts? Wilson & his actions, life & being were reprehensible, why not hate him & what he created? It's a natural & healthy response & reaction to hate an abuser & exploiter & hate the abusive & exploiting cult he created that still exists & still damages people. Why not? No one has to prove & research anything, AA's been exposed for it's failures, insanity & abuses. Ex members are witness's & have a voice. Why not?

patti

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becket

Tue, 06/12/2012 - 12:08

"People who attend AA become desperate, depressed & are more prone to suicide due to those feelings than people who do not attend." You have absolutely no way of knowing this, patti.

"There isn't anything wrong with hating, nothing @ all, it's part of the human condition & a part of life." This is just pathetic. Hate consumes too much energy and time. Why would you want to waste your limited amount of days hating something or someone? It's a puerile way of handling anger.

If AA has been "exposed for it's [sic] failures, insanity & abuses" then the job is done, patti. Move on.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

patti

Tue, 06/12/2012 - 21:43

Beckett,
studies have discovered that alcohol addicts that attend AA are more prone to suicide than those that do not attend, I'm not making this up, neither are the people who have conducted the studies. AA is depressing, abusive, belittling & irrational, it's an unhealthy cult & environment, created by an unhealthy & abusive con man Wilson, any one, including me that has attended & then quit is a witness & has been exposed & is aware of the AA members who do commit suicide, @ times due to AA just not working, their hopelessness & despair over being taught they have an incurable & progressive disease, being terrified into hopelessness, drinking, giving up & committing suicide. Already know your rap, suicide is a personal choice, but any one can be pushed over the edge & AA is such an unhealthy & irrational environment, it causes all kinds of harm & damages, including suicides. There is nothing wrong with hating, doesn't matter if it consumes too much energy & time, hating can be & is a good thing, it is information, it is proactive & productive, hating promotes necessary change & knowledge & can & does improve the quality of life & situations for many. That is AA speak, they shut down any & all complaints by belittling any & all criticisms by belittling & demeaning the critical thinker & speaker for hating, complaining, having resentments, being a dry drunk & all the other irrational & anecdotal psycho babble & billshit of Wilson's. Why would you want to spend any of your time advising me how to feel, what to do with my time & energy? That you give me this advise is classic AA, you are a hypocrite. You are on this forum every day & spend a lot of your time & energy, not accepting that there are AA haters, here & on this forum, you just have to convince any one that AA is cool cause you say so. Regarding moving on, more hypocritical advise, according to you on some days you have not attended AA for over 20 years, yet you spend every day of your life attacking anti AA haters on this forum, you attempt to control what others think, feel, do, you attempt to control the information that readers will see, you attempt to control, control is what AA is all about, control of addicts life, money, time, minds, feelings & existence. Not cool, not AA, not control or abuse, not you.

patti

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Fri, 06/15/2012 - 21:25

Studies have conclusively shown that the poster herein named patti suffers from delusions of grandeur, delusions of intelligence, narcissistic tendencies, schizoid tendencies, attention deficit disorder and a prolapsed bladder. These studies must be accepted by one and all simply because I have identified them as studies, albeit without proper footnotes, links or references. That I declare this information to be factual and beyond anyone's discretion should be the only thing one needs to accept each facet of these studies as gospel, as reality and as truth. Beware the poor devil who lights upon the precarious ledge of veracity, daring to examine these claims beyond their face value, for you will risk trading your money, time, minds, feelings and existence in for open-mindedness. Who here would have such temerity to risk it all for independent thinking?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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Trisha K.

Tue, 06/12/2012 - 11:01

..........

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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Sun, 06/10/2012 - 17:26

I wonder why that is........

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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Trisha K.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 17:44

Why, JR, am I supposed to be ashamed or intimidated?

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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JR Harris

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 17:46

by making a bunch of "fluff" posts. I believe i have seen this tactic before. Strange, your punctuation, terminology and tactics are awful familiar. Have you ever posted on Fornits?

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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Trisha K.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 17:58

did it again?

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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Sun, 06/10/2012 - 17:46

Go to the "Step 7 Removal of Shortcomings" blog. You will find plenty of logic and legitimate reply. No one is asking you to agree with what you read or even to think about what you read there. But you might be able to see that there has been some sincere thought given to the topic. Sorry you've not yet found it in you to join in without ugliness.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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Sun, 06/10/2012 - 16:09

Resentment is destroying you for sure man

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live_free_or_die

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 16:14

Becket should probably get to a AA meeting ASAP. That resentment he is carrying around is a crippling, cunning and powerful defect.

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http://bereanresearch.com/
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
NOT AA:
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http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/

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becket

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 17:47

Do you have such trouble identifying gender outside of the Orange Papers Forum, live_freealmostbutnotreally?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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Sun, 06/10/2012 - 19:15

Going to an AA meeting to overcome resentment is like trying to put out a fire with gasoline !

patti

Tue, 06/12/2012 - 08:22

That is the truth!

patti

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dolson

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 21:52

Yet again the death cult apologists cannot refute the death worship tactics of their beloved death cult called aa. They only flood the thread with attack, deflect, or derailing tactics. Not one post by all the apologists contains a shred of logic.

danny aka trisha - is now obsessing about penis. Why do all you death cult lovers resort to this?

Go ahead, enjoy yourselves - it's getting late, much later than you think.

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becket

Tue, 06/12/2012 - 12:01

This is untrue, dolson. Go back and read again.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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dolson

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 23:44

I can read old man, and you are still full of shit.

Go ahead, enjoy yourselves - it's getting late, much later than you think.

patti

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 05:07

Right on Dolson & he/she is always, always rapping about how intelligent he/she is, always boasting about self & her/his mind & capabilities. Did you ever meet a really intelligent person who had to constantly describe how intelligent they were? I never have, but I've listened to a lot of AA members boast about how intelligent they are.

patti

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becket

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 21:27

Where have I claimed to be superintelligent and/or supercapable? Have you considered that instead I have implied that many people do not live up to their full capabilities? That doesn't put me way up there; it puts me at ground level, wondering what's taking you so long.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian