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CLar said "Why is HE taking advantage of that relationship?

CLar, you are saying that the woman had a part in this sexual assault right? You are putting some blame on the woman right?

AA Sponsor arrested

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published by live_free_or_die on Sun, 03/04/2012 - 13:29

BOULDER — Police arrested a man this week who is suspected of using his position within Alcoholics Anonymous to inappropriately touch a woman during a meeting at a Boulder hotel.

Laureano Sifuentes, 64, had been under investigation by Boulder police since November, and he was arrested on Wednesday by Longmont police on a Boulder warrant.

According to police, Sifuentes is associated with a local Alcoholics Anonymous group, and he persuaded at least two women that he would help them through one of AA's 12 steps, which requires disclosure of information in a private, one-on-one meeting.

Police said Sifuentes arranged a private meeting at a hotel with the victim and another woman. The victim told police that during the meeting, Sifuentes touched her sexually. She fled from the room and called a friend to pick her up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ur_3R1HOGg
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/30431327/detail.html
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The above story was posted on the OP Forums on 2/12/12 in the AA Horror Stories Forum Thread.

Conspicuously absent from the comments on this post on 2/12/12 were any remarks from the then current AA ThinkSpeak™ trolls MArrrietta Davis ( now Clara), Danny B II (now TRisha K/Becket) or billybuddy (still billybuddy).

I wonder why?

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btnben

Sun, 03/04/2012 - 13:41

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Like what you said lfod
But I must disagree on you with the linking of Marietta and Clara. Marietta, bless her, had her faults, but I honestly believe she would remove her own pancreas without anesthetic rather that spout the trite bullshit "Last Word" Clara comes out with.

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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JR Harris

Sun, 03/04/2012 - 13:41

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The Stepper troll collective of Danny and Marietta
aren't commenting on the current Bob Ryder story either. The Danny and Marietta Show, dragging to new lows and promoting opposite sex Sponsorship through their actions and "shares."

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avogadno

Sun, 03/04/2012 - 14:50

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Trolls picking their spots.
Actually, there is nothing wrong with choosing your arguments but it does show that the trolls cannot give a logical argument toward most of anti AA claims. The AA lies is an example. How many time should we list them JR?. They can't refute it so they nit pick on our personal character if that somehow gives proof to their stance. Control and abuse is rampant in AA and is another fact that they can't refute. There stance is their observation that it doesn't happen in their meetings. OK, I can buy that there are meetings that haven't been over run by fanatical Guru's. But it is also a big possibility that that they haven't seen it occur in their groups. Does that mean it isn't there? Most of time people try to hide these crimes so it doesn't surprise me that they don't see it happening in every meeting they go to. But to claim it doesn't happen just because they don't see it is convenient and fancy. I didn't witness the Hitler massacre but it happened. I didn't witness the Columbine shootings but that indeed happened to. Alcoholics Anonymous member Bob Ryder of Maine committed murder and had help covering it up by is AA sponsor. That incidence must be the imagination of Maine residents because I didn't see it happen..NOT....The list is long and only those in a state of denial about their beloved AA can ignore the obvious and extreme flaws in the program.

"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.” ~ Aldous Huxley

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btnben

Sun, 03/04/2012 - 15:18

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Trolls picking their spots...lol
"Clara, stop it. It will never heal if you keep picking it"

"Danny - if you don't stop doing that, you'll go blind!!!!"

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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btnben

Sun, 03/04/2012 - 15:16

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Never would have happened in Bill W's day
Getting arrested for sexually abusing sponcees? What is the world coming to?

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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alkieanon

Sun, 03/04/2012 - 18:06

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3-way
Earlier news reports seemed to gloss over the fact that there were more people present (besides the accuser and the accused). This news report is more explicit:
"Police said Sifuentes arranged a private meeting at a hotel with the victim and another woman."
Wonder if he was trying to re-create an SNL short:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi7gwX7rjOw

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live_free_or_die

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 07:02

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Standard AA response II
This post has been up for several days and there has been no comment from any of our current AA trolls, otherwise known as 12 Steppers or what I call AA ThinkSpeakers.™

This is what you can expect from AA. No response, no comment. There will be no admission that there is a problem with crimes being committed by AA members in and around the roomz of AA across the US and abroad.

SILENCE.

The AA’er will say “just the facts” ma’am.

Well, here is irrefutable proof of crimes in AA.

Some will say, well, yeah, ok. But, there is more crime at McDonalds. More murders while getting your Big Mac fix. Are you kidding me? How simplistic is that thinkin? How many rapists and violent criminals are sentenced to 90 ¼ pounders in 90 days? Jezus.

Where is ClaraMArrrietta on this one? Where is DannyBisha K on this one? Where is NB becket?

Yep. SILENCE.

"Once, during Prohibition, I was forced to live for days on nothing but food and water". W.C. Fields

NOT AA:
Rational Recovery, SOS, HAMS, SMART, WFS (Women For Sobriety)
>> http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/Ontrack/?page_id=91

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I am the perp because I raised an issue that is way to common among AA'ers, namely blame the victim?

There are serious harmful issues within AA that need to be exposed. Alcoholics Anonymous ain't so anonymous anymore.

Well, that's the problem. You never know what a sick, vulnerable person is going to get tricked into. They are told that this is a "spiritual" program and the people in it are spiritual people. They are told they must trust the other members of AA. They are told they can't trust their own minds or their instincts, and indeed, if they've been drinking long enough and hard enough, their heads are temporarily full of squash rot. They are told the old timers hold the key to their sobriety, and their very lives. They are told to give out their numbers to perfect strangers. They are told they MUST be willing to go to any length or they will drink and die. They are told to trust the process, and are dependent on others to tell them just what the process entails.

And when they do all of that, do what they have been told, and it all goes horribly wrong, they are the ones blamed for it and the perpetrator gets a pass. Just plain sad.

Read the previous posts thoroughly and you might be able to figure it out for yourself.

I'm not going out of my way to convince you of anything. I really don't care what you think or feel.

I've never seen any of it, either, and we have had our share of sex abuse victims.

you, a rapist, are a member. Sit your ass down and shut up.

Danny, you would get up and hug the shit out of them you pedophile

It scares the shit out of me that you're out there somewhere (Oklahoma City) sponsoring someone. You probably attract the worst of the worst with your personality. You tell them the wife they beat, the kid they raped, was their disease.

Tell us about the Third Nail Danny

I've seen this on more than one occasion. I've seen it go the other direction as well, with plenty of understanding and empathy shown to the victims. Still, the few times I've seen the blame and shame game were enough.