Step 7 Removal of Shortcomings

Becket

"Realize that change inside and outside of AA is slow to come - we cannot even truly see the wheels moving."

There is NO change in AA, thats a major part of the problem. That was what made me walk out mid meeting at my last cult indoctrination session. A woman did what I call the "They told me...I want what they've got....character defect" speech that I first heard more or less word for word 30 odd years earlier. Its the same cult talk repeated over and over and over again, week in week out, year in year out, now century in century out

"We are culpable for those things we actually did have a part in. It's our responsibility to carry that message,"

Those things we actually did have a part in are actually done, what does sitting in meetings constantly waffling on and on about the past achieve other that mounting guilt (a vital part of cult indoctrination) and does steppism qualify you as some kind of spiritual guru to whomever is in a formative state, or are you just a cult indoctrinator for steppism

"I had a series of sponsors that didn't fit, and then I found the one I could zip through the steps with"

"Realize that change inside and outside of AA is slow to come - we cannot even truly see the wheels moving."

Stepper contradiction?

"Of course Bill Wilson's writings were a reflection of who he was - how else could or should it have been?"

Rarely have we seen a person fail blah! blah! blah! his book was claimed to be a cure for every so called alcoholic not just wilson

"there's a tremendous lot of fixed information that will be good till the end of time."

So does God actually remove shortcomings?

"and I would want the surgeon to be current on his book-learnin',"

so you would agree the Alcohol/Drug Problems treatment industry needs to move beyond 12 step?

"Best of intentions, not the greatest outcome. There are no guarantees"

I think we need better guarantees than this:-

http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-effectiveness.html

Especially if Iain Duncan Smith is intending to force unemployed Brits into AA

"I hate seeing people assume leadership roles in any capacity when they are clearly unqualified. It's surgery with a bad outcome"

Alcoholics Anonymous? http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-effectiveness.html

"when I left AA, not many people were listening; the lion's share of them were talking, talking, talking in treatmentese, which sounded like shit to me."

So why advocate something which sounded like shit.....stepper contradiction?

"I'm all for freedom, and I don't much mind how anyone gets there. But I don't see how anyone who is dead set against learning something new is ever going to find it."

Again why advocate AA, steppism is more dead set against hearing something new than any organisation, church cult or whatever