I am Not Leaving. I will not be bullied or made fun of...

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Submitted by massive on Mon, 05/21/2012 - 13:16

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I once got alot out of reading orange- papers. Three years + I came across them and it altered forever how I saw AA. I am forever grateful for that. ST helped me immensely too.

When ST went down orange created the forum and I created Leaving AA site. Even with the trolls I met some great Anti steppers here.

But it's time for me to leave. Take care. ( No I am not leaving now)

you can reach me at makeaasafer@gmail.com or www.leavingaa.com or www.stop13stepinaa.wordpress.com

If you are new here, and hate AA or have been harmed by AA in any way, Beware of the trolls.

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avogadno

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 14:21

I was thoroughly disgusted by what you had to endure Massive, I just shut off that blog along with the other and haven't looked back. I’m in shock at the extreme foulness. I won’t stoop to their level with any kind of response.

I’m sorry you had to put up with that abuse. Take care.

Pro Empowerment!
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Expose AA: http://www.expaa.org/

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massive

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 22:46

avo- and dorak ...I hear you and Im grateful to you.

Massive

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Jesus-is-Fraud

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 23:57

Who bought what on herself?

And how many times now?

In how many forums?

But it's time for me to leave. Take care. ( No I am not leaving now)

Only to take up the space she just vacated......

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dorak nob

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 14:26

unfortunately you leaving makes the trolls very happy, you always had something worthwhile to read, good luck with movie , I know you have the passion to continue, plus you have many fans.. dorak

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jonnijoy

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 14:33

The only reason she has posted this thread was in hope that Orange would say please stay and I will get rid of everybody that does not agree with you or expose you for lying and exaggerating. Massive has told me to Fuck-off for exposing her for lying about murders in AA. Lets get real, Massive is not some victim, bu she plays one well. Bye bye baby. Who wants to bet that she will not be able to stay off this forum?

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Clara

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 15:41

Massive, you made a mistake about the post.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

AntiDenial

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 15:07

Massive has never lied about AA members or NA members murdering people. Not to mention the rapes, and financial scams. What JIF wrote was horrific. Who wants to be on Orange Papers if you have to tolerate that abuse?

Well Massive, I understand why you are leaving. I did too for the most part because of stalking and harrassment. Your work is very important, and has made a difference. I know your work is greatly appreciated by many, including me. It is no easy task going against AA and exposing them. People are reading about the horror stories within AA, not just the ones told! It is getting noticed.

See you over at www.leavingaa.com !

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becket

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 15:10

" Your work is very important, and has made a difference."

There it is again. What, specifically, is different?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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Trisha K.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 20:29

AD and Avo, knock it off. You know darn well this insufferable victim will be back.
No one argued or dissed what massive advocates for. What we questioned her on was her honesty in all of her affairs. She became indignant and fled. Her attitude was one of, who are you to question me stepper, I am above you. This attitude is prevalent on this site.
What a life....massive I hope you come back with a new found sense of fairness.
Good luck!!

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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NoAAUK

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 15:51

"feel they can condescend and be rude to advocates of AA when ever they want."

I don't want to be rude to you people, I would just like to contribute in any way I possibly can to the total destruction of your disgusting cult and its clones.

The begining of the end of stepism HAS arrived I just want to do my bit hasten it. I may not see the end of it , but it IS coming.

AA WILL die

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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becket

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 16:14

What are the "clone" cults?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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massive

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 22:39

NOAAUK- I love you!!!! I mean your spirit , your passion and this post ! YEAH...a sane ex stepper to blog with.

Massive

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Jesus-is-Fraud

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 16:11

I was chairing an NA meeting and there was like 5 guys for every 1 girl in the meeting and the women had come up with this bullshit that the chairbody was supposed to pick boy, girl, boy, girl.......

It was to make NA "equal opportunity" the drivelers of feminisim said.

I set up the meeting early and drew up a list of speakers as they walked in the door.

First come, first served.

None of this picking only "my pals" to speak or going along with the clearly lopsided gender bullshit.....

This one chick started boiling in her own blood that I was picking them in the order that they walked in the door, instead of going "girl, boy, girl, boy etc"....

After a while she jumped up and started screaming "I am not taking this shit, come on all you girls we are boycotting this meeting" - and out about 6 of them stormed.....

She used again... Mrs NA the detox rehab worker.....

LOL

Fuck her and her bullshit.

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justme

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 17:36

Massive.... what Jesus-is-Fraud wrote to you and about you was extremely abusive, sexually harassing, ridiculing, and a character assassination.

I read it and wish I didn't. You're right on all counts. It should be deleted.

I'm sorry to read such nasty, ugly text on the internet. I have much respect for you and the work you're doing.

Take care of yourself, stay positive, and surround yourself with positive people who can help with your cause while also being supportive to you, personally.

All the best to you!

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Trisha K.

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 19:53

say it already. We all know. This disingenuous attempt at being humble is painful to read. Yeah I am sure you would be so comforting if this was Clara or becket or myself.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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causeandeffect

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 20:04

I second what justme said. And also I want to say to you, justme, that I read jif's post to you about your friend who committed suicide this morning and I was so stunned I didn't know quite how to respond. I can't begin to fathom a mind like his. It's just incomprehensible to me that someone could be so utterly heartless and cruel.

I'm so sorry you and massive were subjected to this abusive nonsense.

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massive

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 00:24

c & e I almost called you today... went to see The Dictator and laughed my ass off at the movies. We had fun. I feel better. Thanks everyone here who has supported me and wrote me a post.

Massive

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justme

Tue, 05/22/2012 - 11:29

Thank you very much. It really is a sad reflection of the human race that there are people who find the need to abuse others. I suspect they have been abused in the past and the anonymity of the internet gives them the freedom to lash out with abuses toward others. I appreciate your kindness as I'm sure Massive does, also.

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massive

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 22:40

justme- Thanks. I will take care. But I have a feeling that things are changing like NaAAUK said.
I appreciate your poetry.

Massive

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Persephone In Exile

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 18:11

Massive--I hope you don't think I'm sitting this out in order to not defend you, I'm just frankly so disgusted with all of this since the return of Danny that I can't stand the thought of having much to do with any of it. This is all severely fucked up and not doing this site or anyone posting here any good at all.

http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/

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dolson

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 19:21

AGREED.

Go ahead, enjoy yourselves - it's getting late, much later than you think.

Brett

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 19:32

I can't spell in english, much less latin, but I mean to say.
DON'T LET THE BASTARDS GRIND YOU DOWN.
Hang in there Massive, we need & appreciate your efforts.

Brett

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massive

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 22:42

pie,dolson, brett, I seriously appreciate your comments. Thanks:)

Massive

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Jesus-is-Fraud

Tue, 05/22/2012 - 04:46

"I can pay out on other people like all shit and get all my chums to pat me on the back for being a bastard to other people" (but she sure doesn't like it when they hand her crap back to her).

LOL

Good one Massive.

Who are you going to pick on next week?

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justme

Tue, 05/22/2012 - 11:30

Your icon/avatar fits you perfectly!

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Persephone In Exile

Tue, 05/22/2012 - 19:41

LOL justme!!

http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/

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cindee33

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 05:19

I only drop in here on occasion. So don't know the dramatics and don't know how to find links. Oh well, I hope you are not too mean, because I am not taking sides. It is too A.A.ish. Not that I give Fuck one about A.A. either. maybe I am posting at the wrong place. Wish you both good days. Massive I think it is and Jif I think is the author of this offending post. If I am wrong, sorry about that. Can't we all get along???

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massive

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 17:18

cindee33 - yea Cindy this site has gone downhill and is controlled by th

Massive

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Jesus-is-Fraud

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 09:09

Massive has permanently run away to occupy the space she has just vacated.....

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jonnijoy

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 05:52

Massive says; yea Cindy this site has gone downhill and is controlled by th

JJ knows; Thats another lie, im seeing a pattern here. This site is more popular than ever. Makes leaving AA .com look like the joke that it is. Leaving AA.com is like a bad chick flick. Any guy with an iota of manliness wouldnt touch that site with a ten' pole.