I am not alone. How do you feel?

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Submitted by massive on Thu, 03/22/2012 - 18:54

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Or are you a loner?

I am not alone anymore. Even though I have a very full life with hubby and kids, after almost a year I still blog alot and I feel a connection with my blogging buddies somewhere else.

I found many of you on ST and from creating stop13stepinaa blog.

I don't think this a pro AA forum at ALL but I know they find there way here trying to defend it. I don't understand why they don't go to the forum called " IN THE ROOMS" where all the AA lovers are.
Anyway...this has been a huge help to me to have a place to converse.

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steve cochrane

Sun, 06/03/2012 - 00:52

If you read my post again, where do you see in it that I am asking you a question?

Brett

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 19:14

the program we discuss isn't the one you're familiar with cos it dosen't happen in your group

Brett

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causeandeffect

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 19:18

Yeah brett and the program I'm familiar with doesn't have anything to do with drinking alcoholic soup. Do you think she's confused and she's here to defend American Airlines? I heard it has a wonderful homegroup.

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Fri, 06/01/2012 - 19:52

Ha, ha, Cause. How original. AA = American Airlines.

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Clara

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 19:53

You know, the program you discuss ISn't the one i am familiar with...

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flannigan

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 09:12

Your perception is right on.

flannigan

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 09:19

What worked for you? What is the "it" you refer to?

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causeandeffect

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 09:22

I'd like to know that as well, especially considering that "it" has been repeatedly proven to not work.

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Fri, 06/01/2012 - 09:38

No, you don't, Cause. I've told you. I guess the most honest thing you can say is that it was proven not to work for you.

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Fri, 06/01/2012 - 09:51

"the mesa-grand study found evidence of ineffectiveness of 12-step facilitation from 6 studies and of
ineffectiveness of Alcoholics Anonymous from 7 studies (109). An additional
systematic review of 8 studies found no studies that unequivocally
demonstrated the effectiveness of Alcoholics Anonymous or 12-step facilitation
approaches for reducing alcohol dependence or alcohol-related problems (133).

http://www.euro.who.int/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/43319/E92823.pdf

That's from a report by the World Health Organization, clara.

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Trisha K.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 16:29

that confirms it. The studies are flawed, how many times are you going to have to be told this. Remember when you were advocating for the 5% success rate of AA and some very savvy members who were intelligent enough to discern this stupid study you kept referring too. Minoosh explained that the results which you were trying to peddle as truth were just plain nonsense. I believe there were others also.

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Fri, 06/01/2012 - 16:40

Yesterday you had never been on ST, today you know people by their names. Busted. Not that you weren't months ago. What a tosser.

God damn it, get me a whiskey

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Trisha K.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 16:48

First off dummy who said I have never been on ST, second these people are on JREFS not ST. Members here post links from ST all the time and when googling Danny it references ST.
Ben pull you head out of your.....lol.
You really want me to be Danny. You don't even know who Danny is Ben.

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Fri, 06/01/2012 - 16:55

Well for not being Danny, you sure know an awful lot about him and where he posts..... Especially on just a few "quick looks"

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Trisha K.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 16:57

Lmao!!!

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Fri, 06/01/2012 - 16:55

LOL! Yup, ben, but that's not even ST. That's JREF he's talking about, and showing exactly who he is. I showed minoosh the truth about the triennial surveys, btw. I've proven mathematically beyond a shadow of a doubt there is only a 5% retention rate, if that much even. It's just that minoosh can't accept the truth. But then again, can any of them? I ran AA alfie off screaming and licking his wounds temporarily in Dec, and permanently it seems, in Jan. He had posted on that site for a year and a half, religiously, then just disappeared!

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Fri, 06/01/2012 - 17:11

You are not even close to being in the same league intellectually as minoosh or alfie, Causy.
You really are full of yourself.....lmao!
I found out about JREFS from a friend I met on, "the fix".

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
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Fri, 06/01/2012 - 17:16

Will wonders never cease. Are you cuggles, his cousin?

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Fri, 06/01/2012 - 17:19

Sorry danny, minoosh is pretty smart, but the only thing she has is trying to argue about how someone constructs their sentences and misrepresenting what someone's said. She really doesn't have an argument. Alfie is just dumb as a stump, far too dumb to know it. It's called the Dunning-Kruger effect. Alfie's had his ass kicked all over that site, not just the AA thread. But I guess you wouldn't be a very good judge of someone's intelligence. Again, DKE. LOL!

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causeandeffect

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 17:22

dupe!

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Fri, 06/01/2012 - 16:52

In most cases you can't really even call these studies. They call the people, "Hey there George, are you still sober". George is sitting on his couch with only his underwear on sipping a beer, "Yeah Doc, I'm sober".

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Fri, 06/01/2012 - 17:02

LOL! danny that's the same stupid crap you tried to pull on JREF. Nobody believes you about that. Those people are intelligent on JREF and you are consistently making a fool of yourself and don't even know it. LOL remember when you tried to convince the crowd that Vaillant wasn't peer reviewed? That was heeeeelarious! LOL!

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Fri, 06/01/2012 - 17:19

Yes that is what brought me there, this guy DannyB II posted there. I don't know if this is the Danny Bennison everyone is talking about here but this same friend told me it might be.
Cause I agree with what he has said where it concerns you, you are extremely stubborn and naive. You believe you know more then you do and your ideas about these studies are just amateurish.
I don't care really whether it is Danny or not. I just wanted to be able to read his comments and see for myself what he was saying.
Most of you people have made up so much garbage on him it is hard to distinguish the bullshit from the truth.

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causeandeffect

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:52

clara, what do you have to say about this?

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Fri, 06/01/2012 - 12:04

I have nothing to say about it, Cause. You have a belief in one direction and mine goes in another. I have friends that say laetrile studies indicate that it doesn't cure cancer, but I have others that went to Mexico and were cured by it.

You can think as you like and I can, too.

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causeandeffect

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 12:13

If something works, clara, it can easily be demonstrated with studies. The WHO looked at all the studies and concluded AA to be ineffective. That's a fact, not an opinion.

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Fri, 06/01/2012 - 12:48

AA was effective for me, Cause, and many other people I know. And that is enough for me.

Cause, you seem to be a bit inconsistent. Earlier, you told me to stfu and go away. Why are you still trying to engage me? Practice some acceptance that I do not agree with you.

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Fri, 06/01/2012 - 12:50

El Paso AA is giving you very bad habits.

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Fri, 06/01/2012 - 12:55

When did i tell you to STFU and go away? I've never told you to STFU, but I have asked you to go away.

You are confusing effectiveness with spontaneous remission. I accept that you don't agree with me. Now please address why the studies show no effectiveness.

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Fri, 06/01/2012 - 13:05

Perhaps you were talking with someone else, but the point remains. Why continue to engage someone you've told to go away?

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Fri, 06/01/2012 - 13:15

I have never told anybody to STFU. Are you referring to my post where becket was essentially telling Patti to shut up? I was only paraphrasing what you steppers tell us all the time. Shut up and go away. You don't want the truth told so you want to convince us that there's something wrong with us for speaking out against superstitious faith healing nonsense. Not gonna happen.

I continue to engage you because you haven't left. Yet.

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Fri, 06/01/2012 - 13:24

Why even say that to anyone? This is a forum that is open, per the guy that started it. I haven't said that to anyone. I certainly do want the truth to be told... our truths differ, and I can accept that. I think that AA is a great fit for some people, not a great one for others. I think that can probably be said of ANYthing out there.

So trying to make someone leave is the goal, Cause? Boy, do you have come weird behavior.

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Fri, 06/01/2012 - 13:30

I have told you numerous times why you should not be here, and that in and of itself your being here is as selfish an act as a rapist going to a rape survivor's meeting and trying to sell them on how rape is OK. You just don't care so we're stuck with you.

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Fri, 06/01/2012 - 13:35

Cause, you woke up in a mood this morning and you've kept it going all day with me. You don't have to post to me at all, but you've agreed that your reason for doing so is to just try to get me to go away. Now that you understand that it isn't going to work, spend some quality time doing something else. I don't even think that I have anything to do with your situation today. I think you just came to the board and would have taken on anyone you found here.

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causeandeffect

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 13:55

Your opinion of my mood is just a projection. I'm in a very good mood. I see you are trying to get me to go away: "spend some quality time doing something else." Not happening until I'm ready. Now about those studies...? Can you explain why they show no effectiveness?

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Fri, 06/01/2012 - 13:58

It isn't a projection. Came in swinging. Now you are simply being childish. "now you are trying to get ME to go away." I don't care what you do, Cause. We are BOTH welcome here and it isn't up to either of us to suggest anything to the contray.

Have a good rest of the afternoon.

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Sat, 06/02/2012 - 08:25

I'm interesting in understanding the hype from day 1 when Bill W. and company continued with their alcoholic foundation and BB promotion when they knew it was a failure in helping alcoholics. Bill admitted as such and still continued to promote AA relentlessly.

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patti

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 23:11

Omg cause its your mood that is the problem not the fact that study after study and who world health organization have factually determined faith healing a a is ineffective and a miserable failure

patti

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becket

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 23:18

Please, patti, have another drink or two and try this post again. ^^

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Fri, 06/01/2012 - 23:42

Patti, Cause made it very clear that it is just the fact that AAs are here at all that is the problem, not that we believe or disbelieve anything she presents. It didn't fail me, Patti.

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Trisha K.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 16:32

The only fact present is there were studies done. None are based upon fact, it is conjecture.

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Fri, 06/01/2012 - 23:22

Some studies have concluded that the Placebo Effect is a genuine phenomenon and is effective even when the participants in the study are aware that the treatments they are receiving are, in fact, placebos. I offered a link on this a couple of weeks ago.

So something that is totally inert has a positive effect on patients. Perhaps this can partially explain why AA works for the people who benefit from it.

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Sat, 06/02/2012 - 08:19

Hey becket, that link you provided a couple weeks ago regarding the placebo effect. If you have it handy can you please post it aga? Thanks.

I'm curious about the specific study that you were talking about. It's odd to me that people that actually know they are getting a placebo still get the desired effect.

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Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:49

hey massive, this forum is way more fun then those AA forums. AAs are here because we don't spout slogans and remind each other to read the big book and go to more meetings , it's just a blast not being in AA. I saw an old AA friend today and he was so depressed I asked him if he had called a friend from program to go to lunch to hang out with and he hadn't . It was just sad because in AA your supposed to be happy joyous and free and if your not then your not working program the right way. It reminded me that whatever happens on outside of program is so much more interesting then reading BB, praying to HP and chanting how it works.

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Fri, 06/01/2012 - 23:27

"It was just sad because in AA your supposed to be happy joyous and free and if your not then your not working program the right way."

Actually, the happy, joyous and free business is a possibility, but no one is "supposed" to be this way. If one is in AA and is not happy, joyous and free, it is not always explained by "not working your program the right way". It could be the person is clinically depressed, is diabetic or morbidly obese, has a thyroid or other endocrine condition, has a bad heart, or has any combination of life situations that can prevent well-being.

Why didn't YOU offer to hang out with the depressed guy?

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Sun, 06/03/2012 - 11:03

actually i did hang with him, and i encouraged him to call a friend of ours who is in AA, I'm not in program so I wouldn't be talking program language . I asked him if he was suicidal so I could take him to hospital. I will call him today and find out if he's doing better.

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Fri, 06/01/2012 - 19:40

dupe

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Fri, 06/01/2012 - 23:33

A lot of you laugh at apps for maintaining a sobriety calendar and such, but here we have people who entered into the business of seeking a lasting sobriety during the tech age. How would you have done it without your smart phones and laptops and your iPads, your blogging and tweeting and posting?

I started in AA four years before Mark Zuckerberg was born. It was a different thing then. For my money, it was a better thing.

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Sat, 06/02/2012 - 12:52

Caustic defect hag says; LOL! danny that's the same
JJ says; I thought I was Danny? lol Everybody is Danny to the hag. Make up your mind hag, is Trisha K Danny ? or is Jonni Joy? Hag Oh yeah I put a new avatar of myself up. If you look closely im giving you 2 big thumbs up hag. ;) http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Hag

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Sun, 06/03/2012 - 04:48

Jonnijoy, do you deny that danny poses as a lot of different people? Do you deny that he has a style of attacking people for no reason? If an accused rapist adopted your name as a way to hide himself, would you want someone to notice and call him out? I would.

danny bennison has posted as 2 different people at the same time here and that's a fact. He's easy to spot for a number of reasons and one of them is his style of attacks. What do you think about "trisha's" dannyisms? Why do you think "she" knows about everywhere danny's posted? Why do you think she came here from the beginning knowing all the intimate details of danny's life and instantly from day 1 started attacking everyone on his resentment list? Do you really believe "trisha" is a different person?

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