What do they want?

The major problem that I see is the minimizing tactics that the AA zealots use to avoid talking about the problems in AA. They just claim that these problems don't exist and usually use the same old slogans and excuses of "take what you want and leave the rest", "it's your choice and you can leave at any time", "it doesn't happen in my group", "I have never heard of that happening ever (especially when we show them multiple articles on it)", "It is AA because it is conference approved", "they are only suggestions", "millions of people", etc....

All of these slogans and statements are just minimization techniques because the AA zealots do not want to face that there are problems that can be fixed. They just pretend they aren't there and tell newcomers the glossed over story leaving out these problems, so no one tries. As for the court mandating thing, that is the biggest joke because AAWS/GSO promotes it as can be seen in AA Pamphlet SMF-176. I don't care that they have numerous disclaimers point to the different entities inside "AA" that when you get to them they just disclaim it also. It is called a "loophole" to avoid being held accountable.

The major problem that I see is the maximizing tactics that the AA haters use to blow out of proportion the problems in AA. They just claim that massive problems exist and usually use the same old slogans and excuses of "AA kills people", etc...

All of these slogans and statements are just maximization techniques because the AA haters do not want to face that there are problems that do not need to be fixed. They just exaggerate they are there and tell newcomers the horror story singling out these problems, so no one listens. As for the court mandating thing, that is the biggest red herring because AAWS/GSO does not promote it as can be seen in AA Pamphlet SMF-176. I don't care that they have numerous disclaimers point to the different entities outside of "AA" that when you get to them they just disclaim it also. It is called a "truthful" to prove you're being held accountable and responsible.

Polar opposites. No middle ground.

I don't understand all of these "band aids" for something they claim doesn't work. I don't get the energy involved in it or how comfortable it must be for one of the loudest to walk into a meeting with her husband while all eyes roll. If you don't want to be in it or get nothing out of it, walk away.

But you'll notice we never hear how many people participated in this protests, all the cameras or anything else. Waste of time and energy.

How can you discuss anything "logically" when you are thoroughly intolerant of any opinion that does not mirror your own, JR Harris? What you mean is you want to lecture and scold and pontificate and berate.

Try to remember, JR, this is a site for AA haters. No one here wants to "fix" AA. That's not the purpose of the site, as I understand it.

“Making AA Safe” for the AA Member
SEXUAL & FINANCIAL PREDATORS
ARE A REAL PROBLEM IN AA.
We can’t afford to ignore it any longer.

In accordance with Tradition One;
Our “Common welfare” should come first. Personal recovery depends upon AA Unity.

Read this before every meeting:

We of Alcoholics Anonymous feel that
NO MEMBER should be sexually or financially harassed in any way,
especially Newcomers.

It is up to us, individuals in the rooms and in our groups
to protect the minor, the new person, young and old from predators
of any kind. It’s up to us to keep AA a safe place.

1. Have a safety statement read at beginning of every meeting.
For example: No one should be sexually or financially harassed in any way. We want you to feel safe. If you don’t feel safe please tell the secretary or a trusted friend.

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Naw... Chicken Little is at it again.

Do you really think that groups will accept these? Do you think that it is AAWS that sets up meetings? don't you remember me telling Anti that it isn't AAWS that sets up meetings when I told her that women can and do go to ladies meetings? She said that not everyone had one to go to, and that is when I explained to her that is how meetings get started in the first place. People see a need and fill it.

To you, everyone is a predator first and an AA member second. I doubt that most people view their groups that way.

Keep the Preamble, dump the rest. Remove faith healing as a "recovery" method. Let members be themselves within the fellowship. Free of sick "spiritual leaders", peer coersion (or suggestions), and the depressing, personality destroying, Clara Creating, 12 steps. When people spend too much time at recovery clubs or on websites, they are frowned upon as losers that are failing in the real world, not worshiped as wise gurus.
Burn all Hazeldon literature, bonfires throughtout the country.
Some shit like that....would be a start- Tools, Tards, Dolts...DOPES!!!