Orange Has Spoken

For those of you that may have missed it, Orange posted about forum requirements (note below).

I haven't said much about this topic. There has been too many hits below the belt in the forum lately. Actually, it's been going on a while. For the record I'd like to make it clear that I've been pretty disgusted by it. Anti AA blogging in the last 16 months has been my first experience in online discussions. I'm not sure what I expected, but I know this wasn't it. We've all gotten a little out of hand at times, but to continue on in that fashion gets us nowhere.

Perhaps we can carry on as if we were communicating face to face and show each other more respect? I'm proposing that we all turn over a new leaf. What do you think?

"Requirements" ( http://www.orange-papers.org/forum/node/1538#comments )

"The only requirements that I have been banning anybody for is "no personal attacks on others", and please at least try to keep it civil. You can attack recovery programs, philosophies, organizations, ideas, politicians' conduct, whatever, but please do not personally attack other people on the forum. Just keep it halfways civil, please. And have a good day." ~Orange

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justme's picture

Good idea! :D

Here's a direct link to Orange's post -
http://www.orange-papers.org/forum/comment/37948#comment-37948

live_free_or_die's picture

That absolutley sucks big time!

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And the language... oh the language, seemed to me I must be dreaming
whilst those wonderous words & phrases, only genius could produce
roared & rumbled, fast & faster
in the throat of that old master
oaths & curses tipped with lightning, crackling flames of fierce abuse.
O.K the personal attacks wid the sexual connetations maybe stretching the social media etiquette a bit, however profanitys, colour our words, giving them texture & added tenure.
There is nothing wrong with a few swears, here & there. Besides I'm an australian, asking me to talk without swears is like asking an italian to talk & not use his hands.

Brett

live_free_or_die's picture

cya : )

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NoAAUK's picture

Is there a 12 step group for stopping swearing? Profane Anonymous.....or summit

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

massive's picture

So no name calling and no sexual harassment would fall under this right?

Massive

aussie and a gutter mouth!

jonnijoy's picture

Massive says; So no name calling and no sexual harassment would fall under this right?
JJ asks; does that also include no lying and no ridiculous stories?

Clara's picture

Or unfounded accusations.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

JR Harris's picture

Does that include pointing out obvious untruthful time lines and events?

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

SandyB's picture

Let's get rid of LOL's and OMG's

justme's picture

Odd reactions. Just because the owner of the site has asked that people don't attack each other on a personal basis (which is considered good general netiquette and always has been), people are saying that they can't say words like shit or fuck or whatever.... That's NOT what he said. He said don't attack each other. It's really pretty simple.

I mean, he's not talking about censoring your words, for crissake. Read the text. It doesn't say anything about word censorship.

It's called RESPECT. You can respect people and still curse all you want. He just doesn't want name-calling directed at PEOPLE.

Shit. Seems pretty damn simple to me. It's fucked up that people use name calling around here.

I respect Orange for making his statement.

causeandeffect's picture

Sorry Avo. I'll try to tone down the er, um, er... truth. Oh well, Orange can ban me if he wants, based on anything I've said. The way this site is going, it would be no great loss.

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avogadno's picture

I just mean the vile and sexual comments. Swearing and colorful words don't fall under that category. Just my opinion.

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avogadno's picture

There are a select couple of people that ONLY come to the forum to degrade others.

They know who they are, and this is who/what I was referring to in my post. There are many people here that have to protect themselves from their attacks which is understandable.

Sorry if I didn't make my feelings clear.

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justme's picture

There are a select couple of people that ONLY come to the forum to degrade others.

This is true! I agree.

Well, the no personal attacks rule is something that most forums observe. In fact, I'd say the majority do. Still, it's hard when things get heated as they do between AA proponents and anti-AA people. I know I've had to take a break from here, simply because I don't want to be around AA people. Now, that is not a personal attack, just a statement of fact. It's aimed at no one in particular, just all AAers in general. Or shall I say the way they think, what they do, what they say, etc.

NoAAUK's picture

Neither do I and as I've said before that includes in 'so called' alternatives like SMART UK meetings.

Maybe the best way to do this is to use the most effective way to sort out alcohol problems.....go it alone

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

steve cochrane's picture

The best way that I can describewhat I have found is to look outside the "recovery industry" for something else. Trust your instincts,and have a' healthy' amount of skepticsm. There is great wisdom all around us. Enjoy it,grow from it. But in regards to going it alone. You are right. Because in the end ,only you can help you. Peace

Trisha K.'s picture

this thread by an Anti member has been an attack. I don't care if you think you are being honest or stating facts. Until you can stop with your careless and reckless attacks against others this site will never change while most of you are here.
Many of you have done nothing but treat this site like your own personal journal, this isn't a diary where you make the rest of us suffer under the weight of your personal problems.
Remember justme, Avo, Kate, Steve, Causy, JR, ect.... you folks are entitled to nothing more than Clara, becket, BillyBudd, Alkie, JJ or myself....NOTHING!!! So get off your high horses and knock off your incessant whining and act like adults that can carry on a conversation rationally and civilly.
I would not doubt that this is exactly what you did when all of you first approached AA. Your expectation of AA was based upon false information and fantasy. When you couldn't get your unrealistic needs met, you went off and blamed it on AA and the members. AA was not entitled to make you feel secure, that was your job to learn.
This is my opinion.

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Shirley MacLaine

justme's picture

is that anything like incest? :D

Pardon my humor. I had tee many martoonis. Take me drunk, I'm home.

becket's picture

References to incest aren't funny, justme. I'd rather read someone's blue streak than read a joke made about incest.

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JR Harris's picture

How many times you going to do that Danny?

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Trisha K.'s picture

@justme..I figured within a week your true colors would emerge. Thanks for finally getting honest.

Incessant;
(of something regarded as unpleasant) Continuing without pause or interruption: "the incessant beat of the music".

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

justme's picture

I was just joking. I'm a writer. i specialize in words. I write humor a lot, too, incestuously, er, I mean incessantly. :D

Oh and that's called a "malapropism" when you purposely use the wrong word. It's a humor tool. :)

becket's picture

Do you also specialize in diminishing the savagery of a life-altering experience like incest or rape?

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justme's picture

I've been raped before. I'm in my 50s and still haven't gotten over it and it happened when I was in college.

I wasn't even referencing incest, either... it was just a pun... a play on words. It meant nothing other than to be a silly play on words.

*shrug*

Sorry you didn't like my pun.

JR Harris's picture

Gee Danny, I don't see any of the people "you" claim coming to help you, or pledging allegiance to "your" side. Why do you think that is?

Also Danny, you very first post this morning was an attack on the members of this blog, which is not to be tolerated any more.

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justme's picture

It doesn't have anything to do with "unpleasant". The rain can be incessant, for instance, if it rains for 5 days in a row. Just an example. I could laugh incessantly. Another example.

Trisha K.'s picture

Which is why 99% of his blog posts go unanswered.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

btnben's picture

Hasn't Danny the moron been banned again yet?

God damn it, get me a whiskey

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becket's picture

"Danny the moron". Doesn't that come in under the heading of name-calling? Or is btnben exempt from all suggestions that we be civil to one another?

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Pennywise's picture

Well, Orange said "[t]he only requirements that I have been banning anybody for is "no personal attacks on others", and please at least try to keep it civil." (Emphasis mine)

To me, this is ambiguous and pretty much means that we don't have to keep it civil at all.

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causeandeffect's picture

Pennywise found a loophole!

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Danny is tthat this is not a DAIRY. That is the ONLY thing you are right about , excuse me let me back to my drinking,and smoking big fatty bluntzes.

dannys posts ,burp ,cough cough ,shit ,gd ,breathe ,come on puffers (lungs ) you can do it . cough ,burp.

Trisha K.'s picture

Don't let us down.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

dairy ,hahahaha are own personal dairy ,man I would love to have my own personal dairy . Making people suffer under the weight of all that milk. Funny as hell danny

Duh danny I knew you meant DIARY ,it was funny as all beans. I almost spilt my drink from laughing.

now can you fix " you folks are entitled to nothing more then ",you wrote THEN , for crying out loud danny when you want to show cmparrison between any thing please use the proper word which is THAN . NOTHING danny is more telling about you ,NOTHING than this confusion that you have with these two words .

It is like you flip a coin ,and just let luck guide you. funny as hell and it has been explained to you more THAN once.

alrighty THEN for those paying attention the was pun intended .

causeandeffect's picture

Oh, I'd love to have a dairy too. I love cheese. : )

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great you fixed your tells , and we thank you danny. Nothing worse than reading a grown man's posts exhibiting the intelligence of a third grader.

Well there danny boi ,since you are paying attention ,You claim AA and rehab AA are TWO different things . One being AA and the other being FAKE/rehab AA ,which really is the same thing ,same book ,same 12, same god dam steps .

Yet I'll play and see your delusion to think that they are both different , REAL AA vs FAKE AA , though both are the same ,lol for sure. Well Mr. AA aka danny bennison , how come the REAL AA dosen't put an end to the FAKE/rehab AAs. you know like take a stand ,take them fake AA's to court .

My god man FAKE /rehab AAs are giving real (laughing ) AA a bad freaking name. It is a business/cult ,hush ,hush, and you would think that the real AA ,(laughing ) would want to go after the fake /rehab AAs for fraudently portraying AA and in your words giving the REAL AA a bad rep.

According to you danny, Fake /Rehab AAs are giving the brand AA, a bad name so how come the real AA doesn't correct the problem that is tarnishing their image.

And please don't say its because AA doesn't proselytize , because you advocate for AA like , Hari Krishna's handed out fake flowers at airports . And you danny seem to have re written the 12 to suit your beliefs cause I always thought AA was based on attraction and not promotion , like the AA promotional trolling that you do to get the "truth about AA " vs the Fake /rehab AAs ,though same book same 12 same god dam steps. Danny you toot AAs horn more than a New York cabbie honks his/hers during rush hour . What is up with that ? Are you the specially chosen one for AA ? Are you AAs spokesman?

care to explain danny seriously bout why REAL AA doesn't slam FAKE /rehab AAs in court ? Btw thanks for fixing youre tells in your nonsensical post.