Just watching Coronation Street (The UK's top Soap). Carla asked Peter Barlow if they should take Simon (his son) to the pictures to forget about things, as his former girlfriend is trying to get custody of Simon. Peter replies that he can't he "has to go to a meeting." Carla mentions that he has already been to a meeting this week to which Peter Barlow answers "sometimes one meeting isn't enough."
So how long are Coronation Street going to be doing deceptive recruitment for the stepper cults on a national scale in the UK? Isn't it about time some of us Brits complained to Ofcom the broadcasting regulator:-
http://consumers.ofcom.org.uk/tell-us/
Events in Parliament as well. The cult really is targeting the UK these days, a cause for very serious concern.
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JR Harris
Fri, 05/25/2012 - 13:51
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Actually Coronation Street is telling the truth
Peter Barlow took the well being of his son Simon as meaning less than going to meetings, which unfortunately is what happens in the AA social manipulation scale. AA is advertized as a way to fix family problems, but most people don't realize that is not what it is all about. AA is about disassociation, calling everyone in the family co-dependant, going to meetings and prospect hunting, not rebuilding your family.
Is there a way to perhaps highlight this on blogs talking about the episode? If enough people speak up and say that this is what happens in AA, people will be wary of the program. Perhaps mentioning on these blogs that the well being of his son and family are being put second to AA meetings, then explain that the ritual chanting and praying to some imaginary made up god have nothing to do with building up of the family unit and only the tearing of it down to build demand for AA and Hazelden literature and services.
"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.
NoAAUK
Fri, 05/25/2012 - 14:52
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"Perhaps mentioning on these
"Perhaps mentioning on these blogs that the well being of his son and family are being put second to AA meetings"
Thats an excellent idea.......thanks, I'll look into doing what you suggest and put a complaint into ofcom that Coronatoin Street is now being used to promote cult religion as well
......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11
Free
Fri, 05/25/2012 - 16:41
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The number of times I was
The number of times I was told, 'Sobriety has to come first, even before your family: because without your sobriety, you have no family.' I'd anxiously rush to help the children with their homework, rush to get dinner cooked, become increasingly anxious if my husband wasn't going to get home from work in time - just to get to a meeting! I was creating a stressful home environment - to get to a meeting. Since slowly cutting down on meetings, to the point where I attended my last one a few days ago I feel so much calmer, and no longer feel the guilt associated with not giving enough time to my family.
NoAAUK
Sat, 05/26/2012 - 06:56
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Hi Free
Hi Free
"Since slowly cutting down on meetings, to the point where I attended my last one a few days ago I feel so much calmer, and no longer feel the guilt associated with not giving enough time to my family"
Chances are you won't want to go anywhere near a stepper meeting or steppers in the not too distant future. I wouldn't want to be in a so called alternative meeting (like SMART ) with them. Stepism is like a contagious disease, I want to stay clear of even though I am now totally immune because of the OP and other websites. I am now vaccinated against stepism.
I can well understand the fear to leave, the fear of jails institutions and death, thats what keeps people in AA, its not the intelligent, thought provoking dialogue (LOL:-). Thats what the lies misinformation and fear mongering are designed for, indoctrinating and keeping the vulnerable and confused into the cult for whatever reason the self-serving, individual deviant, cult truebelivers want to prey on people for, be it power, sex or just the mistaken belief that preying on and lying to others keeps them sober.
I was bought up Christian (RC) like most Americans and at one time believed in a merciless tyranical God, that also contributes to keeping people in the cult. But stepism is nothing to do with God, theres nothing healthy or healing or pure in the reality of stepism, scratch the surface just a little and the rottenness is there for all to see.
When these people tell you 'Sobriety has to come first, even before your family: because without your sobriety, you have no family.' They are not trying to help you, are indoctrinating you for their own self-serving reasons. Even the ones who might appear to have your interests at heart. They are all thinking about themselves. Stepism is TOTAL SELF ABSORPTION. Spend your valuable time with your family who DO love you, not the lying, misinforming, self-serving predators of AA
......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11
Free
Sat, 05/26/2012 - 16:06
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Thanks NoAAUK.
You know, I did often feel that the format and repeated narrative of, "Our stories disclose in a general way what we used to be like ... etc.", not only boring (after the 100th time), but incredibly self-indulgent and indicative of self-absorbtion - and all in the guise of helping others.
NoAAUK
Sun, 05/27/2012 - 00:28
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but incredibly self-indulgent and indicative of self-absorbtion
Hi Free
When I was deeply sucked into the AA cult, I still went in Pubs drinking non-alcoholic drinks (which the AA gurus hated). A friend said to me that I was the "most selfish person he had ever known" because I was constantly talking about my (imagined) alcohol problem, despite the fact that I'd not drank alcohol in over a year and was actually constantly in drinking situations with non-alcoholic drinks.
Its AA indoctrination that brings out this 'self-absorption'. You are constantly conditioned to believe that you are on 'borrowed' time. You have to live 'one day at a time and not worry about tomorrow' (which makes you WORRY about tomorrow)
If you believe you are in constant life threatening danger from an incurable disease, and that you are totally powerless over alcohol, its natural that you will become self-absorbed, purely in the interests of self-preservation.
And what is all this indoctrination for, what is stepism all about.......just to sit in meetings talking garbage and dragging other unfortunates into this fear infested nightmare.
This 12 step thing is really BAD stuff and needs ending
......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11
live_free_or_die
Sun, 05/27/2012 - 06:12
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Are You Leaving The Cult?
Free Free Free
http://cultresearch.org/2012/03/presentation-at-survivors-of-institution...
Alcoholics Anonymous: MyNotGodHasItCovered®
http://www.expaa.org/
http://bereanresearch.com/
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
NOT AA:
Rational Recovery, SOS, HAMS
http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/
Free
Sun, 05/27/2012 - 20:52
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Yes
Said goodbye last week. But, there are people I will miss...
Persephone In Exile
Sun, 05/27/2012 - 07:21
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NoAA, I can't tell you how
NoAA, I can't tell you how much I agree. I saw nothing that wasn't completely self-absorbed in xA, nor anything to sway people away from this horrible self-centeredness. When you have people thinking their brains are so uniquely troubled and different from the rest of the population, it's bound to happen. Who but the most egotistical would fall in with the "my brain is a dangerous neighborhood" thinking? Why would you think your brain is so worthy of even such a label if not obsessed with self?
Honestly. People who think their every thought is worthy of intense analysis for traces of "diseased thinking", not only on their part, but who think they must call people and share these thoughts in meetings....honestly. It's all fear based self centeredness.
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
Clara
Sat, 05/26/2012 - 07:03
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I think the important thing
I think the important thing is to keep it all in balance.
Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.
live_free_or_die
Sun, 05/27/2012 - 06:13
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No. I disagree. The Important Thing
Is to run like hell from the cult of AA/12 steps.
Alcoholics Anonymous: MyNotGodHasItCovered®
http://www.expaa.org/
http://bereanresearch.com/
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
NOT AA:
Rational Recovery, SOS, HAMS
http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/
Free
Sun, 05/27/2012 - 21:02
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Clara, balance was initially my aim,
but the deeper I got into the program, the more I realized that it's not balanced. 'Our book is meant suggestive only' is a lie. I wish I could have been one of the people that could take what I wanted and leave the rest. But then, I wouldn't really be working the program would I?
massive
Sat, 05/26/2012 - 01:33
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WOW thats fucked up. Sounds
WOW thats fucked up. Sounds like US TV!!!!
Massive
NoAAUK
Sat, 05/26/2012 - 07:20
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seriously fucked up, to an
seriously fucked up, to an unprecedented level
......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11
NoAAUK
Sat, 05/26/2012 - 07:23
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Its not last nights stepper
Its not last nights stepper theme of attending lots of meetings that I find worrying. Its the general long term promotion of stepism on Coronation Street. I’ve never known that in the UK before, nor on US TV programmes seen over here (except that Beverly Hills 2019 or whatever it is called)
Theres lots of discussion in the media about the UK's Alcohol problem these days and it would appear AA is seriously stepping up its deceptive recruitment drive to a very disturbing level using the UK's most popular TV programme and an event in Parliament.
For fucks sake, AA has been here for years and years and has no doubt contributed significantly to the UK's Alcohol problem with its completely insane powerlessness lie (not to mention the rest of its nonsensical spiritual not religious.....rubbish).
Can't the UK Government see it’s a series of NEW initiatives we need to address this problem ( and I don't mean that bunch of clowns that call themselves SMART UK) not the same ineffective garbage that has been around for years and years. You would think SOMEBODY in the UK Government could work this out
......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11
causeandeffect
Sat, 05/26/2012 - 16:42
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I liked the British soaps
I liked the British soaps much better than the American ones, as they were much more down to earth. At least what I saw of them. Anyway, I'm surprised the UK is going for this AA crap. As members of the World Health Organization they should know better. A report on cost effective ways to combat alcoholism spelled it out in no uncertain terms.
"the mesa-grand study found evidence of ineffectiveness of 12-step facilitation from 6 studies and of
ineffectiveness of Alcoholics Anonymous from 7 studies (109). An additional
systematic review of 8 studies found no studies that unequivocally
demonstrated the effectiveness of Alcoholics Anonymous or 12-step facilitation
approaches for reducing alcohol dependence or alcohol-related problems (133)."
http://www.euro.who.int/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/43319/E92823.pdf
This report has loads of info on other ways. Unfortunately it does mention Project Match. Personally I think Match was a badly botched study. I'm betting my left foot the CBT was administered by steppers. I mean, where are you going to find that many addictions professionals that weren't steppers? Nowhere, and that would be hugely confusing to the participants. "You're powerless" then "you have the power" etc and whatnot. There was another study that compared steppism with CBT and there was aninside doc that complained of exactly this sort of contamination that I found in the letters of the Orange Papers.
http://orange-papers.org/orange-letters247.html#Clark_M
I'm betting Project Match was a completely worthless, albeit expensive study.
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NoAAUK
Sun, 05/27/2012 - 00:37
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As members of the World Health Organization they should know bet
Hi Cause
Thanks for those links, I intend to construct an email which can be sent to UK MP's I want to construct an email which has the most meaning full statistics and best video's that can get the Anti AA movements message out to the UK goverment and other organisatons in the UK.
......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11