to stay and be so abusive. Why should I have to put up with their crap after all the crap I put up with in AA. I come here thinking I finally find a place where I belong and what do I find? AA lovers. WHy?
Why after all the work orange has done are these abusive people allowed to be here. They are not trolls. A troll is just someone who tries to get people upset? These people are verbally abusive. I dont get it.
Can you explain this to me Orange? I want to encourage people who really have left and want to discuss the whole anti AA thing to do it at www.leavingaa.com There I won't allow AA bullys and their crap.
I agree with a blogger who was angry about not being able to bitch in Smart about AA? ANd after I write this there is going to be some stupid comment from the trolls?
I have had enough. I like meeting new bloggers but this is getting to not make sense Orange.
massive
Sun, 05/20/2012 - 13:45
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avo - I dont see them talking
avo - I dont see them talking about your husband and whether or not you are sober 36 years or not. I dont care about time anymore.
I do not see them personally attacking you. But I see your freedom of speech is one thing. Name calling, and attacking are actually called verbal abuse in the real world which includes blogging.!
Speaking one's opinion is freedom.
Name Calling is not.
I feel ...
I think...
blogger said ....about me -
Your just pissing and moaning that you chose to make yourself all upset like a fucking drama queen with all your bullshit, and your trying to blame other people for your crap.
You made yourself upset, that is your fault.
REALLY? The woman who were raped by AA men is my fault?
The man who 13 stepped Kali was my fault?
The Man who killed Kristine and Suandra Cass was my fault.
The couple who murdered and cut up Tracy White in Downtown LA pretending to want help was my fault?
The Guy who grabbed Rosie in the Marina Center was my fault.
NO ONE IS WAS STANDING UP for these civil rights. I AM. IN fact many women told these victims " WHAT IS YOUR PART IN IT" This shit needs to stop. ANd I will not stop till it stops and gets better. END OF STORY!
THATS IT> SOMEONE HAS TO DO IT and I choose to do it, make a film expose... expose...
People in AA did not even realized that 13 stepping is an actual form of sexual harassment.
My file is 2 inches thick with 13 stepping , sexual harassment stories. When this story finally blows it will be front page news. AT least in cities where steppers are not running the paper.
Massive
avogadno
Sun, 05/20/2012 - 17:01
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Massive, I’ve been personally
Massive, I’ve been personally attacked as well. The threads are long and deep, going back many months (almost a year now). I guess you didn’t see it. I do not know why it is worse for you and others now than it is for me. I really wish it wasn't that way for anyone. If I misread the situation, please tell me. The way you approached it seemed an assault on Orange who has made it clear what his policy is in the past. I know it sucks, I don’t like it either but I respect it. Why not a personal letter to him instead of calling him out on it, using his own blog to do so? I wasn’t questioning your commitment or hard work. I’ve expressed appreciation and commended you on the activism many times in the past. Pointing it out to me here makes it appear as if I wasn’t in support. A lot of effort has gone into the activism by a lot of people. No one (except the trolls) and including myself is overlooking that.
Pro Empowerment!
Truth about AA: http://orange-papers.org/menu1.html
Expose AA: http://www.expaa.org/
AntiDenial
Sun, 05/20/2012 - 19:25
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Just a thought- you could of
Just a thought- you could of sent Massive a private message instead of airing here considering our united desire to effect change. Orange is a big boy, he has recieved multiple complaints on and off the site about the trolls. It is because his work is so important, many of want to much see this forum be less dysfuntional and less derailing. He has listened to some complaints in the past, so there is always hope!
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massive
Sun, 05/20/2012 - 22:15
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Sorry AVO I just saw your
Sorry AVO I just saw your post. Im sorry too. I have contacted directly once before and he did something. But this time I just said it here. I should have contacted Orange privately and I will.
Again Im sorry for my previous post. I just get so mad about some of the trolls. I have gotten to know some of the victims in person. Keeper, Carolyn, Sally, Gunthar, C & E Ilse, Anti D, Ironic, Ryan and I really feel for them. They are not just bloggers to me.
I appreciate your efforts are as well.
Massive
becket
Sun, 05/20/2012 - 17:29
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"NO ONE IS WAS STANDING UP
"NO ONE IS WAS STANDING UP for these civil rights. I AM. IN fact many women told these victims " WHAT IS YOUR PART IN IT" This shit needs to stop. ANd I will not stop till it stops and gets better. END OF STORY!"
Seventy words later you were still blowing smoke. Where's the end of the story? The real end?
“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian
Jesus-is-Fraud
Mon, 05/21/2012 - 06:15
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Massive is just a second rate attention whore...
Compared to me that is.
Jesus-is-Fraud
Sun, 05/20/2012 - 19:09
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Oooo drama queen MUCH!
Give them an inch, and they think it's their yard.......
To wind it back a little Missive, YOU are YOUR PROBLEM.....
Everything that you add to this, to include everyone and their dog from the year dot, is also a silly way to show the world just how proficient you are at eating humble pie and dealing with your own issues.
So just how is your NON AA personal inventory coming along?
Where is "Hysterical" and "Bullshit" on the list? Somewhere down near the bottom I assume, like 5 floors below the basement.
patti
Sun, 05/20/2012 - 19:43
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JF,
JF,
wow, no one has to take a personal inventory if they are not in AA, that's just Billshit. People really busy taking personal inventory aren't getting too much accomplished in the world. Hey, someone has to do the work that needs to be done instead of over analyzing them self's. There is a whole big old world out there to tackle instead of wasting a life taking a personal inventory. Someone has to give a shit.
patti
massive
Sun, 05/20/2012 - 22:16
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OH OH silly jesus- I dont
OH OH silly jesus- I dont work AA's stupid steps. I am not in stupid AA anymore. I am free!!!!
Massive
Jesus-is-Fraud
Mon, 05/21/2012 - 06:16
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Your just a second rate attention whore.....
Compared to me you are... and always will be.
dorak nob
Mon, 05/21/2012 - 11:53
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great fodder for your film,
massive great fodder for your film, use this energy as the fuel that gets your film done. like I said once before even if it's a film about your personal experience with AA it would reveal many problems with AA .
keep the passion, maybe work on film instead of wasting time with these fools
massive
Tue, 05/22/2012 - 18:03
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dorak- good advice. NOte
dorak- good advice. NOte taken. Im listening. Thanks.:)
Massive
Clara
Sun, 05/20/2012 - 19:24
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Where "steppers" are running
Where "steppers" are running the paper? Why are you so paranoid? You tell people to ask cops if they are in AA because "they have to answer you." What makes you think these things? Steppers don't run the papers, and no one has to disclose AA membership to anyone, Massive.
Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.
Trisha K.
Sun, 05/20/2012 - 15:49
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Massive at some point will you please read before you speak.
No one is talking about your husband in a negative manner. How would we know about your husband if you had not wrote about him.
All I am saying is you are not a good example of someone who should be dissing AA. When behind everyones back you are still very much affiliated with AA. You are a liar and I am calling you on it. I don't care how many times you talk with the founders of recovery programs on your radio show ect....I know your heart still lies with AA. You would really like to see AA repair itself to your liking. AA has made you angry and this is how you are going to make AA pay.
“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine
dolson
Sun, 05/20/2012 - 16:44
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You are one twisted fucker.
You are one twisted fucker.
Go ahead, enjoy yourselves - it's getting late, much later than you think.
humanspirit
Sun, 05/20/2012 - 17:42
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Trisha
Massive seems to have made you angry, which is an emotion that the BB says should be better left to those better able to handle it.
Meanwhile, are you ever going to tell us what your AA story is after you found your bottom, and why you think the 12 step program is a good thing?
(Thought not.)
Clara
Sun, 05/20/2012 - 19:39
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Boy, no one cares about the
Boy, no one cares about the names my husband has been called on this forum, the deliberate misrepresentation of his marriages and divorce, his protection of his wife. Why is there always a double standard?
Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.
patti
Sun, 05/20/2012 - 19:52
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Clara,
Clara,
there are double standards because we are deprogramming from AA brain washing & sometimes we still act like we are in AA!
patti
Clara
Sun, 05/20/2012 - 19:59
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Patti, AA has these people
Patti, AA has these people by the 'nads more than it ever did. That is no excuse for a double standard.
Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.
AntiDenial
Sun, 05/20/2012 - 20:56
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It is because people are
It is because people are giving Clara as good as she gets. Clara is an extremely abusive, cruel, deceitful troll. Massive on the other hand is an honorable, caring, selfless human being.
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Jesus-is-Fraud
Mon, 05/21/2012 - 06:17
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Calling you names.....
I was called a cock sucking homo christian - and I said "Don't you dare call me a christian!"
massive
Sun, 05/20/2012 - 22:26
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HA HA HA you evil doer you...
HA HA HA you evil doer you... tk----oh the evil webs you weave like some HBO show story line. How ridiculous your thoughts on little ole me. No the story lines are more like an ABC show....I am not affiliated with AA, really my heart lies with AA give me a fucking break. Every other word out of my mouth is AA bashing. FOr Gods sake my poor family has to listen to me rant on this matter although I try to do other activities , like hiking, swimming, jumping through trolling hoops.....singing, did i say blogging....Calling AA and NA headquarters ....giving them shit about them not taking responsibility for predators.
I do not wish to see AA repair itself. They are all too close minded , stubborn and ridged. It is a hopeless situation and for that I am glad so that AA get smaller and I hope SMart and SOS get bigger.
But really I think there will be new recovery modalities born and take over soon.
So no TRSIH YEARWOOD, you are wrong once again. You do not know me.
Im such a secret Agent trish. I have a radio show saying my truth. I am not hiding in the shadows of bullshit made up anonymity when it suits AA and its mission.
Oh yea but If I was Edie Falco then it would be cool to speak out. Well Im not. But guess what Trisha Yearlingford....Soon a major star will come forward to Bash AA and I will be around to see it happen.
Happy hunting grounds you maniacal wacko troll.
Massive
Jesus-is-Fraud
Mon, 05/21/2012 - 06:20
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Massive -
"I am not affiliated with AA, really my heart lies with AA"
That is NOT what you say in meetings darling, and you have your weekly rounds of your regular groups.
Your just a grubby attention whore.... making up stories again.
Does the doctor know that you are off your meds?
Clara
Mon, 05/21/2012 - 18:34
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One did and everyone sees him
One did and everyone sees him for the loon he is, Charlie Sheen. Why is it cool for Edie Falco to speak? It isn't. If you are subjecting your "poor family" to anything, then that is a personal choice. You don't have to do it. You choose to. You repeatedly call AA headquarters? In AAspeak, that would be a definition of insanity, which is probably why they take your call, just so you can hear the same thing yet again.
Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.
dolson
Sun, 05/20/2012 - 15:55
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Last Train
I'm going to catch the next train for the coast.
Go ahead, enjoy yourselves - it's getting late, much later than you think.
becket
Sun, 05/20/2012 - 17:21
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"I want to encourage people
"I want to encourage people who really have left and want to discuss the whole anti AA thing to do it at www.leavingaa.com There I won't allow AA bullys and their crap."
You want to control every environment? Why not superimpose your desires upon the only environment(s) that you have some control over and allow Orange to run his forum the way he sees fit. That's fair, is it not?
“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian
dorak nob
Sun, 05/20/2012 - 17:43
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my heads gonna explode, but
my heads gonna explode, but not before i go out and watch this eclipse
dolson
Sun, 05/20/2012 - 21:14
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Eclipse
My wife and me watched it, it was fairly quick as the sun set behind the horizon very quickly. The sky turned an amazing hue of red tonight. Then the sky was lit by fireworks. A great evening to be sure. Had to check in as I have been away working. What a dog's breakfast this forum has turned out to be.
Go ahead, enjoy yourselves - it's getting late, much later than you think.
massive
Sun, 05/20/2012 - 22:31
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Dolson- my family an dI
Dolson- my family an dI watched it too. It was very cool. I mean the eclipse.
Massive
dolson
Tue, 05/22/2012 - 15:25
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If I had still been an aa
If I had still been an aa member chanting wilsonism in a basement, I would have missed it.
Go ahead, enjoy yourselves - it's getting late, much later than you think.
Clara
Mon, 05/21/2012 - 18:35
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It was beautiful. I had to
It was beautiful. I had to look through some filters, but it was neat.
Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.
massive
Sun, 05/20/2012 - 22:30
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Control every environment?
Control every environment? Really ...is this a joke. I have no control over here mr becket game of throning trolls. Orange is doing what he wants. I like OP. I like Orange.
I created leaving AA when ST went down. But for ex steppers only. Oh does that piss you off. Too fucking bad.
Leaving AA is not for you just like IN THE ROOMS is not for me.
Go have coffee with trish or are you trish too. IM so hurt....I need to go watch more Nurse Jackie.
Massive
budlia
Mon, 05/21/2012 - 00:37
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spread the word
It's quite simple to see what the steppers are doing here,for one they're running scared as the ship of aa sinks and they want to take others with it,then there is the brainwashing they've had to spread the "word",these people are sick and they don't even know it!.
All around the net there are a/a fanatics, take lifering for instance, they've taken over the forum despite the fact that they do it more subtly (they think), go in to lifering chat and say something against 12 steppers,that usually brings out the "i use whatever works" which translates to i use a/a.
I'm sober for a good few years, i just quit by myself this time,no groups or a/a bull,somewhere on the net i once saw figures that showed that the most successful quitters from alcohol had just stopped on their own.
Thank God for the internet, it saved my life by letting me know that i wasn't the only one who could see through the hypocrisy of the 12 step bull,i was resigned to carry on drinking rather than go to a/a.
alkieanon
Mon, 05/21/2012 - 06:54
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Spreading Something
budlia says: "... somewhere on the net i once saw figures that showed that the most successful quitters from alcohol had just stopped on their own." Then you were brainwashed? LOL!
becket
Mon, 05/21/2012 - 13:43
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"Running scared"? O rly?
"Running scared"? O rly? What makes you so sure the "ship of AA" is sinking? Because there are maybe 20 regular forum members who come here to complain about how awful AA is? Is that really your platform? That's some pretty weak shit.
Whatever would you have done in the 70s or 80s before the internet came into wide usage? Would you have continued drinking? So then, the internet is your higher power? I thought you sobered up with nothing. More of the same, day in and day out, . . .
“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian
massive
Mon, 05/21/2012 - 17:58
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budlia-Lucky for you you quit
budlia-Lucky for you you quit on your own and without a group ...I think this is the new wave of the future.
Glad to see you here. There has been alot of heated debate. But we are working on building another forum where we can go and no abusive trolls can troll. We want healthy debate.
But not what Im seeing here. Its gotten way too nasty.
Massive
Persephone In Exile
Mon, 05/21/2012 - 18:16
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Massive, you are also
Massive, you are also starting something up?
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
Jesus-is-Fraud
Mon, 05/21/2012 - 06:22
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Awwww the poor little attention whore....
To think just how you pale into comparison compared to me.....
I am so magnificent. Everyone loves me.
dorak nob
Mon, 05/21/2012 - 18:27
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massive I do enjoy your
massive I do enjoy your leaving AA site and plan to participate in the future , I lurked for some time and it's nice to actually read post without the drama of OPF , nothing personal can be said on OPF without the trolls ripping it apart, just like when ironic brought up suicide , it just turned into a cluster fuck troll stew.
becket
Mon, 05/21/2012 - 18:56
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I know you have no control
I know you have no control over this forum. That is precisely what I said in my post.
I have no feeling one way or the other about leaving AA; I have never been there and have no desire to go there, even overnight. So I really can't be considered someone who is "pissed off" over it. Too fucking bad.
I am not trisha or trish or anyone but becket. Too fucking bad.
“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian
Jesus-is-Fraud
Mon, 05/21/2012 - 02:02
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Angry Massive and her nasty little divide and conquer....
A veritable ingrate.
Bitch, Bitch, Bitch.
Whine, Whine, Whine.
Playing enemies and allies.
Bitch, Bitch, Bitch.
Whine, Whine, Whine.
Persephone In Exile
Mon, 05/21/2012 - 18:13
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JIF--get lost. Take it
JIF--get lost. Take it somewhere else. Please.
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
teatotaler
Mon, 05/21/2012 - 18:42
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??
Was this post meant as a joke?
"There's a new sheriff in town."
massive
Mon, 05/21/2012 - 17:54
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Here are the facts...http:/
Here are the facts...http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/20101107_Red_flags_missed.html?id=106...
Massive
massive
Mon, 05/21/2012 - 18:06
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more real news AA sponsors
more real news AA sponsors assaults women in a hotel in Denver...
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/30431327/detail.html
Massive
massive
Mon, 05/21/2012 - 18:08
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Miami Little River Club Fights off Nasty AA members abusing
local residents
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/01/13/2588530_mysterious-barriers-block-...
Massive
Ironic
Mon, 05/21/2012 - 18:18
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Little River Club
Idk if anyone read that article but I feel for Shorecrest. If you lived next to 79th Street you'd wall yourself off too.
massive
Mon, 05/21/2012 - 18:09
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Five Alcoholics Anonymous
Five Alcoholics Anonymous Members are sentenced for Insider Trading http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/03/13/5-charged-with-insider-trading...
Massive
massive
Mon, 05/21/2012 - 18:14
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Girl Kept Detailed Diary of Rapes by Alcoholics Anonymous Men
http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/75915/news/world/girl-kept-detailed...
Massive
Clara
Mon, 05/21/2012 - 18:19
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welcome back, Massive
.
Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.
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