Wishing you all well.

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Submitted by justme on Mon, 05/21/2012 - 09:00

It was a pleasure to read many of your posts. Thank you! I've learned a lot on this site. I originally wanted to bring writing poetry as therapy here, but it hasn't worked out that way. I tried it once but there was little interest so I pretty much gave up on the idea.

Since then, I've stopped by occasionally to participate in a few discussions but lately, have been been personally ridiculed and verbally attacked. I don't like that and don't deal with it well. It's not healthy. I've also watched many other people personally ridiculing and attacking each other and that's not healthy for anyone either. I wish you all peace and healthy lives. Peace and good health both begin from within. Take care of yourselves.

Wishing you all well.

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NoAAUK

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 09:35

It thinks its inevitable that there will be personal attacks and ridicule on a blog with Anti Steppers and Steppers on it. I personally couldn’t care less about attacks against me from behind a computer, but everybody is different and appreciate it could well upset people, particularly those who are in the early stages of habit change and/or Stepism deprogramming.
Its far worse in a SMART meeting full of stepper infiltrators. Stepper true believers should NOT be allowed in face to face meetings of Alternative groups. That really is unhealthy and dangerous. I realise that has already been discussed recently but it is a very similar topic
I’m new on this forum but not new to stepism deprograming. I wish you well in your journey out of the cult and good luck with the poetry…best

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

teatotaler

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 20:35

Steppers who infiltrate on non-stepper recovery probably think it's their fascist duty to "carry the message." Steppers should stay in their own ROOMZ...maybe the infiltrators should do some "90 in 90." It's pretty obvious that the 12-step cult doesn't want ANY competition. Or, maybe, they just feel scared that there are people "outside the ROOMZ" who get their shit together without 12-step religion. I suspect that is emotionally and psychologically threatening to steppers. In addition, the stepper flippant attitude towards suicides is irretrievably disgusting. I've knew a kid in AA who committed suicide. Plus, some years ago, I learned of a man who had kept "COMING BACK" for years...he died/suicided from that sick indoctrination system. No one at that fucking ROOM even seemed to give a shit. I offer my condoleces over your loss. I abhor the cavalier dismissal that the ROOMZ have towards suicide.

"There's a new sheriff in town."

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justme

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 11:07

I guess I got a little upset when someone was making fun of my friend's suicide. Blaming someone who's already in the grave for not being strong enough? Geez.... Unbelievable.

I've been posting on the net since 1998 and I've seen all kinds of rude behavior and I really do have a pretty thick skin. I just know where to draw the line for my own health. It's not a good idea to get angry at rude and disrespectful people on the net. It's just a waste of energy. So, I'll focus on my writing and painting for now.

I'm not a big fan of "goodbyes" on the net so that's not really what this is. I just wanted to thank the NICE people on this site for being supportive and kind and share well wishes.

Wishing you well, NoAAUK!

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NoAAUK

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 11:23

Yes I follow. When my AA sponsor killed himself some people in AA were amused. That hurt, after all he'd done for AA in Nottigham UK and he wasn't even English, he arrived down from Scotland drunk, Nottingham was just the station where he ended up. Some people seemed to want to slag him off when he died. That he thought he was a know all. All he'd done for AA in the city in over 10 years now counted for nothing

He was a good man, but didn't belong in AA

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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justme

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 11:29

I'm sorry to hear that. Suicide is so sad.... And I find it despicable when people speak poorly of those who resort to suicide. His life counted for something. Of course it did! Those who said otherwise were just rude and judgmental. How can anyone be amused regarding anyone's suicide? *shaking my head* Pitiful. :(

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Ironic

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 17:40

Hey justme. I dunno if you're still here but if you are, I just want to (again) say that I sympathize and that I personally will no longer read/send/reply to any posts by that obviously disturbed douchebag.

I hope you continue to post here but I understand completely if you want out of this freak show.

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justme

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 17:45

Ironic,
He's definitely disturbed. No doubt about that. Thanks very much, Ironic. I'm still here, just got a little upset about the rude comments about my friend. Sorry for my emotional post. And thank you!

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massive

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 12:48

just me sorry to see you go. I will be leaving this blog as well. We will be building another forum.

I liked your poetry. Take care.

Massive

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NoAAUK

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 14:31

Massive

"I will be leaving this blog as well. We will be building another forum. "

When that Stepper bitch took over the SMART meeting at Turning Point Westminster and physically barred entry for me, she was laughing in my face. People will be laughing in your face if you leave this blog. You won't actually see them laughing, but they will be. Don't give 'em the satisfaction. Orange said he no longer liked this job, its a dirty job but somebody has to do it. He is right. Exposure of this disgusting cult has to be done and it WILL be a dirty business

Also it is said "Never hate your enemy, it clouds your judgement" Anything to do with stepism is going to be dirty, its diry enough when you are on their side, its going to be a lot worse if you are going to oppose them.

You may have lost a few battles......but the war MUST go on

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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Ironic

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 17:43

Excellent sentiment, noaauk. I agree.

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justme

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 17:49

Massive ... thanks ... maybe I should post some more poetry because sometimes I can say what I want to say more strongly that way.

Nobody should have to tolerate abuse and harassment. My heart goes out to you regarding some of the things I recently read directed toward you. You didn't deserve any of that. It was just rude and mean and abusive.

I really like your avatar - You Are NOT Powerless!

And you are not. And neither am I. And guess what? Those who say rude, crude, nasty, degrading things to other people ARE powerless if we allow them to have power.

Maybe we should both stick around to prove that their abusive words have no power.

Keep on doing all the good work you're doing! I haven't yet listened to your radio show but hope to tune in soon.

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NoAAUK

Tue, 05/22/2012 - 00:30

Justme

When I lost the SMART meeting to the stepper at Turning Point Westminster, I know they wanted MM off the premises as well. But I hung on and on with MM. It was other MMers who decided we could no longer meet there. I would have stayed at Turning Point just to annoy the steppers.

If they get to you, stop posting for a while and recover, then come bouncing back. Also you don't know how many people are reading this forum who are not members. I have been following it since it began without joining. I also followed Stinkin Thinkin and pointed both the OP and Stinkin Thinkin out to other people. You don't know how many people out there are reading your posts and poetry and getting benefit from both.

Stick around, both you and Massive

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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Mon, 05/21/2012 - 12:57

Take care Justme, I know what your saying. It's not fun to every day be a part of a bitching match. I was appalled as well at the comments that were made about your friend. You handled it with such composure. Take care!

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Tue, 05/22/2012 - 10:06

Avo .... Thank you! I always try my best to maintain my composure. But I'm a passionate person and sometimes things people say get to me. I'm not too happy with myself that I allowed someone I don't even know on the internet to make me upset. I did my best at the time, but I can definitely do better. I need to learn this big lesson: Most of the time when people lash out at other people and say ugly things, it's not about the person they're lashing out at.... it's about the person who is doing the lashing out.

I've heard it said that those who are unkind are the ones who need kindness most. This is a life lesson I'm trying to learn. Perhaps if we feed the unkind kindness, kindness will return to us.

Oh geez... I've become an idealistic philosopher. *rolling eyes* There are so many lessons I struggle to learn. Thanks again.

flannigan

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 13:12

I enjoyed your poetry. I'll leave you with this one:

Know why?
No, Y.
The elephants live, the urchins die.
Try to be the one that lives to a ripe old age.

Take care and thanks for dropping by.

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justme

Tue, 05/22/2012 - 09:56

cute poem, flannigan! thank you!

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Mon, 05/21/2012 - 13:18

Sorry it happened to you, but please do at least drop by and read what is going on every once in a while. The trolls that attacked you unfortunately are out there in real life and this site will help you understand the seedier side of the fellowship of Alcoholics Anonymous. You don't have to post, just stop by and pick up pointers on what to do if they attack you in person.

Take Care,

JR Harris

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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Mon, 05/21/2012 - 13:54

It happens to everyone here, it looks like. I guess I just got emotional when it comes to someone belittling a friend who committed suicide and isn't even here to defend herself. I took it personally because I lost a friend and it didn't have to happen.

I KNOW what AA did to her, the steps she couldn't follow, the way the program demeaned her. I know it effected her in a very negative way, hurting her self esteem, making her feel unworthy of life. She felt defeated. The program weakened her instead of strengthening her. It was instrumental in taking away her will to live. I'm not saying AA was SOLELY responsible but it played a big part in her feeling like she was defeated.

I don't know how a person can come on the web and feel OK about insulting someone who committed suicide, someone who is dead and can't even speak for herself, calling her a LOSER, and having no compassion for the fact that I lost a friend.

Anyway, it's just rude behavior and I think it has to do with the anonymity of the internet. People would never say such things to each other in person.

Apologies for getting emotional. I really do NOT like dramatic "goodbyes" on internet discussion boards like this one and I didn't mean for this to be that.

All I really meant to do was to thank all the kind and supportive people for their support and kindness.

Yeah, I might come back to read and I may even post in the future. I don't know. We'll see.

THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR KINDNESS!

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Persephone In Exile

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 14:47

I'm sorry that happened to you justme, I've enjoyed your posts. That lunatic keeps attacking all of us, and it's getting more and more unpleasant. I just wanted to say goodbye before you disappear! Check in at some other sites, there are some more starting up that will not involve trolls being allowed to harass other users and will hopefully prevent the sort of abusive insanity that keeps recurring here.

http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/

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justme

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 18:00

You're very kind. Lunatics be damned! I'm going to try not to let it get to me. Changed my mind. Why should I let a such rude abusive comments scare me away? Thanks again. Taking a break now.

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Mon, 05/21/2012 - 17:53

justme- my brother in law killed himself last summer. He was in AA for years. They treated so coldly when he returned this last time. They told him to not take his meds. They sexually harassed him when he was new. He had 8 years then drank, then 8 years again. He told me about how fucked up they treated him.

He really loved AA and he felt like he was failing and that it was all his fault.

I think it s horrible that they made fun of your friend. This is what I found when I told some AA members about Kristine Cass and Saundra Cass being murdered by Clayborne Connelly in Hawaii in August 26, 2012.

Here are the facts...http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/20101107_Red_flags_missed.html?id=106...

Massive

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justme

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 17:58

I'm so very sorry to hear about your brother-in-law!
Thank you for your kindness... and for the link. I'll click and read.

-just me

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Clara

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 12:37

What gets me, though, is that as horrific as these tragedies are, they would have happened had this man been in AA or not. Yet Massive is always quick to blame AA in any death, suicide or murder when there there seem to be "signs" that are missed. Mary Kennedy was sober for 5 months due to AA, yet her depression won out and she killed herself. I don't understand the trigger finger point at AA while not seeming to weigh in all other factors that certainly are larger.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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Trisha K.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 14:52

to give a diagnosis why anyone commits suicide. This is why none of these so-called leaders of the Anti-AA movement are taken seriously. Just look at there numbers (enablers), they are paltry.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

gigi

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 14:46

And you are completely unqualified to make comments or offer opinions on just about anything. Your crap seriously makes me sick.

"If I forget who I am, I am myself. If I remember who I am, I am you."

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Persephone In Exile

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 16:26

Trisha, "enablers" is a 12 step term and therefore doesn't much insult anyone here. I personally consider it invalid. Second of all, it is "their numbers". Not "there".

http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/

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Wed, 05/23/2012 - 16:02

Justme, I just wanted you to know how sorry I am about the loss of your friend and the attacks on you, your friend, Massive and Sue have been simply in excusable. But believe it or not, the responses you've gotten from the steppers have been all too predictable. Make no mistake, if these exchanges were in person, not much would be different. The past few days here have been so gruesome, I haven't wanted to be involved, but I feel bad because it allowed certain people on this blog to turn their toxic attention on others when typically they would be attacking me instead.

Troll free AA critical forum
http://www.expaa.org/

"The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it." ~ Neil deGrasse Tyson

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becket

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 14:36

Before the door slams, could you make it clear what the insult was?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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justme

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 17:51

Can't you read?

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becket

Tue, 05/22/2012 - 00:55

Well, uh, yeah, I can read, but uh, maybe you could explain your post - you know, when you come back to see if anyone misses you or is making a fuss over your leaving? Huh?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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justme

Tue, 05/22/2012 - 09:53

Becket... read my posts in this thread and the answer to your question about what someone said to insult my friend who committed suicide is written in several of them.

I've also stated several times in this thread that this was not intended as a "goodbye".

HELLO!

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Persephone In Exile

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 16:28

justme, Becket does this regularly to annoy people. Once you spell it out to her she'll then just vanish.

http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/

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becket

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 16:35

I certainly have not vanished. I just finished posting to justme about this situation. I am not trying to annoy anyone. I'm just interested in the case.

(THIS WAS MY EDIT, which makes it appear that I posted after you did; but I posted this four seconds before you made your rather disparaging remark. What gives?)

Yikes.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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justme

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 17:50

To everyone... sorry I didn't answer each and every one of your posts individually. Please know I appreciate all of you who've been kind and supportive to me and to each other.

Getting tired now. Need a break.

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Trisha K.

Tue, 05/22/2012 - 10:29

But I bet I can guess. The poster didn't agree with you and questioned your credentials or knowledge on just what contributed to her suicide.
Just because Massive says her loved one committed suicide due to the effects of AA doesn't make it so. I also question the truthfulness of her post and always have.
This is a public web site and if you put something out there that is this personal, it could almost be considered reckless. You should have known you would get conflicting opinions. Jeesh go on any site and bring this up and I am sure you will get different opinions. Some more direct then others.
Doesn't mean the person responding is cruel or a sociopath, now does it?
You didn't like the response it hurt your feelings (which are important) but if you really had thick skin this would not of effected you as such. You would have understood the consequences of revealing such intimate details of your life and braced yourself for the feedback.
Justme you keep saying you know, "I know, I know" don't think you really do know what it is like to communicate on the Internet.
Hope you learn quickly.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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justme

Tue, 05/22/2012 - 10:44

The person told me my friend who committed suicide was a LOSER and simply didn't want to do the steps necessary to "recover". The verbiage he used was much more harsh than that. Yes, he was CRUEL. And I never called him a sociopath. You're putting words in my mouth. Where did you get that? You made it up.

My friend who committed suicide was not a LOSER.

I didn't reveal intimate details of my life. I revealed a detail regarding a friend's life and DEATH, a friend who did not deserve to be called a loser.

For the record, I don't much like your posts. From what I've read, you personally attack almost everyone here. You are personally attacking ME right now and you didn't even READ the altercation. Is that fair? No it's not. You personally attacked me on another thread also.

Justme you keep saying you know, "I know, I know" don't think you really do know what it is like to communicate on the Internet.

Madam, I have NOT said "I know, I know" once on this board. I never use that expression. Where the heck did you get that? I've been posting on the internet since 1998, for 14 years. I am also a published writer. My work is my writing. Communicating on the internet is often what I'm hired to do for a living. It's my expertise.

I hope you learn quickly not to attack me again because I don't tolerate personal attacks.

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becket

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 10:48

Do you know if this sadly departed friend worked all the steps? This is not an indictment; I'm just curious about how AA gets blamed for suicides when a) other factors are certainly at play, and b) the steps are not taken all the way through, from one to twelve.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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Wed, 05/23/2012 - 13:42

Becket... I have no idea. I do know that she often referred to the steps as being overwhelming and impossible and stated that they made her feel defeated. I also know that if she had her way, she would have rather continued relieving the pain rather than being forced to do the "program". She was addicted to pain killers due to multiple surgeries on her leg. She was in constant pain. Her leg was deformed due to the multiple surgeries.

Why wasn't she just allowed to continue medicating? It makes no sense! Instead, she was forced into the AA program which made her feel defeated because she was in pain and wasn't allowed to relieve it and was told she was no good if she had to depend on pain meds.

I don't think anybody should have to endure such pain.

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becket

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 16:28

Who forced her into the program, and why? Was she forced into NA? How long did she attend? Were the pain killers actually working for her at the time someone demanded she go into the program? Did you ever speak to the persons responsible for her "mandated" attendance? Maybe they would have an answer for you regarding the reason(s) she was not left to continue medicating. Maybe her liver was shot. Maybe there's something you don't know about the situation.

Interested in hearing any other details which you can offer. Thanks.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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justme

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 16:49

She became addicted due to repeated surgeries on her leg, and broke the law to get more meds because the doctors stopped giving them to her (because they thought she was addicted... good grief!!!)... and she was in pain, so she found another way to get them and got caught. So, she was arrested and incarcerated and STILL in pain without meds and they forced her to do the AA program in prison, and when she was released, she committed suicide.

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Persephone In Exile

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 16:39

justme, that seems to happen frequently to pain patients. Well, addiction also happens frequently, but the maxims of those in treatment/meetings tend to ring very hollow to someone who was either just medicating an illness or iatrogenically addicted.

http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/

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justme

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 16:53

I think they should have given her as much pain meds as she wanted and needed and not labeled her an addict and not cut her off. Had they done that, she would still be alive today. She was a good person. She just had a bum leg and was in pain. Yeah, it happens a lot, I know.

Actually, I'd like to see ALL the drugs legalized or at least decriminalized. It would be safer, there would be FAR less crime, and it would save MANY lives.

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Trisha K.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 13:13

justme, I am not going to argue with you concerning the intent in my post. Thanks for the link you posted below (for another poster). The comments expressed were insensitive and didn't need to be said.
Your friend committing suicide is an intimate detail of a relationship. Your feelings of grief are intimate. At least I think so.
As to your feeling of being attacked by me, you are full of crap and you know it. Jumping on the band wagon seems to suit you just fine. If I am attacking then all of your new found comrades are also attacking, wouldn't you say.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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Persephone In Exile

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 13:21

Trisha, knock it the hell off! You are attacking, and if you can't see that then you have more serious problems than anyone you're flinging crap at. That is a very emotional thing, to have a friend who committed suicide due to this (well, for any reason) and it's not something you should be questioning! At all! Certainly not turning it around to try and make yourself look like some kind of victim!

http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/

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justme

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 13:52

Thank you, Persephone! :)

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Wed, 05/23/2012 - 14:00

No problem whatsoever, justme. He/she/it should NOT be attacking you like that, nor should JIF or any of these other miscreants. There are basic levels of civility that have suddenly plummeted around here, I realize that, but you shouldn't be being attacked at all, IMO, but certainly not over a deceased friend.

And yes, you're not alone. I also lost a friend who was just destroyed by rehab and meetings and the rest of it. It disgusts me to this day, after all of the abuse he took that people afterwards said, "his disease was just too powerful, he couldn't fight it anymore....." and all of the rest of it. I'm sure that you're familiar with these strains. Sometimes it takes on less a quality of even trying to cultishly help people and more the theme of trying to winnow out the weak, a la social darwinism. It repulses me on such a deep level that I'll never stop fighting it. Despite the ugliness of our current troll situation.

http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/

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Wed, 05/23/2012 - 16:39

Persephone.... I'm so sorry to hear about your friend. Yes, that all sounds familiar. The problem, I believe, is that the "recovery" programs call addiction to or even USE of substances (alcohol included) as a disease and yet it's treated like it's the user's fault, their MORAL fault, like they're an amoral human being. So, it's like they're saying it's your fault that you have this horrible incurable disease! (How ridiculous!)

And the deal is, human beings have been medicating themselves since day one. It's NOT a disease, it's NOT anyone's "fault" if they enjoy changing their own body chemistry or if it helps them cope. Frankly, I don't see anything wrong with it as long as they're not hurting anybody else.

But they're made out to be evil people with uncontrollable "problems" when really they all have only ONE thing in common. They're HUMAN. And they're beat up and belittled just because they're human, told they'll never be good enough and are bad people.

That's how I see it, anyway. I'm so very sorry to hear that your friend was hurt by "rehab". I put it in quotation marks because most people don't get rehabilitated at all. They just get ridiculed and told they're bad people.

In a way,the troll situation here on this site is related to this because those who are vowing by AA as being the cure for their addiction, are the very people who are being abusive to other people here and the reason I think that's happening is because AA's philosophy has abused THEM for so long, told them that they're NO GOOD, so they feel they can hide behind a computer screen and lash out at perfect strangers and judge them like some type of Higher Power. They put themselves in the judge and jury seat and ridicule the others here who have chosen NOT to go through such a "program" any more because they don't want to be ridiculed any more. Abuse is a vicious cycle. The abused become the abusers.

I've rambled on too much. I'm sorry. Thanks for listening. And thank you again for your posts and supportive kindness.

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Wed, 05/23/2012 - 16:52

Yes, they are a very judgmental lot, aren't they? This happened with someone who was banned here also, she kept deciding on horrible punishments people posting here should face IRL. Trisha keeps trying to swear vengeance based on supposed defects of character. It's all very strange, isn't it?

Thanks, and again, sorry about your friend. I was a similar case, but I had also become addicted. I knew another man who also killed himself when his family decided upon an intervention following multiple leg surgeries, like your friend. It's ridiculous. Well, it's also ridiculous that I can just keep rattling off people I knew who killed themselves due to the hideous world of interventions/treatment centers/meetings. The entire scenario is nothing but absurd. I was even advised by my rehab to get a very dangerous surgery that could have left my face paralyzed rather than continue taking medications. Now luckily I healed, and had to have neither the surgery nor any meds (EVER AGAIN!! Thank my godly doorknob!), but these people seriously cared more about my supposed "sobriety" than my actual health. It's sad how much they can talk families into this nonsense as well.

Don't apologize, I enjoy talking to you! Er, posting back and forth...lol. I'm just sorry you ended up here at the same time as this particular troll onslaught, it makes it difficult to want to share very much. I'm sure I'll be lambasted for what I just shared here too, but I'm past the point of being much hurt by it.

http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/

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justme

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 17:09

Yes, I enjoy talking to you, too. Thank you! I'm glad to hear you healed without the dangerous surgery they recommended and I agree with everything you just said. How can people judge other people for "defects in character"? Based on WHAT? It's absurd!

Personally, I don't know if there's a doorknob or not .. haha... i'm an agnostic... but still, if there IS a God, our God would be a loving and caring God and NOT a judgmental God based on "character defects". Mass murderers who have no conscience could be said to have "character defects", however, they're now finding out that their lack of conscience is chemical, has to do with brain chemistry. Science is important. Religion just causes unnecessary wars. If there IS a God, he or she is probably very pissed off at all this moralizing bullshit talk where people ridicule other people.

I have a friend suffering with cancer. He's had some major surgeries. They were going to cut his meds off because they labeled him an "addict". I was APPALLED. Thank the Universe he got it straightened out and now has all the meds he needs. It only makes sense that someone would figure out a way to get the meds they need if the doctors stop prescribing them so I'm glad he got his situation squared away to get his meds because otherwise, he may have ended up like my other friend.

I don't know who would lambast you for your posts because that would be crazy, but if they lambast me for mine, well fuck 'em. I'm just speaking the truth!

People don't need to be in pain like that! And they sure don't need to be labeled "addicts" in a negative way and told they have "defects in character" just because they're addicted to pain killers they NEED! I mean, good grief! WTF? It's STUPID!

Thanks for the chat. You're a very nice person.

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Trisha K.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 14:10

You are entited to your interpretations of my posts. I know what my intent was. I have never attacked anyone here. All I have done is point out the truth as I see it. If you really got from my posts that I was attacking justme, then you are either ignorant or just full of crap or both. Take your pick.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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