Troll Wars Part 500 (or so??)

Ban them again and the problem will go away. Simple solution.

What I don't like is the "discussions" where everyone just has to have an opinion, and they are opinions about others opinions, and the original opinions are opinions about the subject matter, and yet everyone chases that like dogs after a chicken, instead of sticking to the subject matter.

However, at the same time....

If it wasn't for the infighting and bullshit - you would not learn nearly as much and it would not be nearly as interesting.

But up to a point....

I think that is an individual thing.... As my proctologist loving sissy boy Billy W. said, "Instead of REACTING we recoil as if from a hot flame. We learn to step back and think."

Like fighting like cats and dogs on Youtube, someone shoots a comment at me, "You fucking cock sucking fag christian"... To which I might reply "Don't call me a christian!"

But beyond that... some people like to fight over relevant issues and some people just like to fight for the sake of something to do.

And I figure that just because someone throws a bone, does not mean I have to chase it.

That life is short and "Is this going to be a particularly meaningful and productive outcome in the long run?"

It's like some woman in the cue at the supermarket, I struck up a conversation with her and she asked "And do you cook for yourself?" I said "Yes I do." So she says, "Oh your carrying a bit of weight."

So I can take that one of several ways. The NORMAL victim reaction is to say, "Oh how fucking rude - blah, blah, blah."

The LOGICAL reasoning is to say, "Well what I think results in what I do, and what is do is how I keep myself, and how I keep myself is on display for all the world to see - so aside from saying what is self evident, how is what she is saying "rude" - it's not, she is just saying what she and everyone else see's, which is what I have put on display."

The POSITIVE take on it, is to say, "Aren't I fortunate, I have all these opportunities for improvement and plenty of my own business to mind - she has just helped me to improve myself."

I don't think there is much point in saying "You must or must not", it's really comes down to, "It's your life, and you only have so much time left, is this a productive way to be spending it?"

And - "Who's problem is it? If I don't take it on board, then who does it belong too?"

People are allowed to attack or provoke or serve up different opinions.

Some do it for real factual reasons, some do it just to provoke and some do it because they are under the delusion that others are not allowed to have differing opinions.

There are two parts to it, their part and my part. Some issues need to be debated, some people need to be told to fuck off and some people and their issues need to be left alone.

Sometimes the best course of action is simply knowing that you can, but you just don't have too - especially when it comes to dealing with idiotic fucks.

Sometimes it's just better to let them expose themselves for what they are and to move onto other more important things.

It's like small town life - so many people have minds like sponges - and instead of looking at all the great things in the world, they are compulsively masturbating over every bit of gossip, that they get by soaking up every piece of shit that comes floating down the sewer.

You have to be discriminating about what you focus on and who and what you let into your life and mind.

Oh for Pete's sake, this really has gotten out of control. For some odd reason they seem to truly believe that they own this forum even though its purpose is firmly against their belief systems. They feel they have more rights here than those for whom this site serves.

I've just grown tired of all the debating. I just don't really care anymore about having a dialogue with any of them. They are so clearly out of touch with reality, and AA has made them that way. Nobody will call someone on it when they lie during a share. In fact, in my experience, if someone is honest during a share, they will be called on it, because it doesn't conform to the dogmatic expectations of what one should say. They will then be coached on saying the right thing, per dogma, no matter how much it may vary from the person's actual truth. This is how liars are developed in AA. Don't let the rigorous honesty propaganda fool ya. That's why I've been finding it necessary to call them out.

No one will call anybody on it when they are hateful, either. They are too busy minding their own side of the street, and not pointing fingers for fear there will be fingers pointing back at them. And the examples of these problems go on and on and on. The end result is a group of very sick, neurotic people all lying to, and abusing each other, thinking it's the way thing should be, the way things have to be. Thinking it's best for their sobriety, as well as that of everybody else.

But it all just makes me so very tired sometimes. I just don't want to be around this toxicity anymore.

this will never end. There are many sites where opposing views are discussed in a adult fashion. Yes they can get a bit passionate at times but the rules are in place to keep everyone in check.
Cause, read your comments of late towards Clara, they are foul and rude. ben constantly fills this site with obscenities towards people. What does HS, PIE, NoAAUK, C&E, JIF and others do, NOTHING. You condone it and actually secretly encourage more of it. You are all dishonest.
You spout about peace, harmony, site running nicely, bla bla bla. Yeah, so long as every one locks step to your wisdom.
This is a site to openly discuss and debate AA, Pros and Cons our owner said as much. He did not hand over the chalice of superior persuasion to one side. If you want that go get on massives's blog or go start your own. I like reading Penny's opinions and many others, here.
What I don't like is when some of you get this sense of entitlement here. This site is for all.
No I am not right in my actions either but I purposely go "over the top" to wake everyone up to the harassment you are perpetrating on a few. I want to see how you like being talked to or about in a rude manner. There are many AA people here on this site (more then when I first became aware of it) some are active in AA and some are not but support it and some just let it be.
I am not trying to be the #1 enemy but I can not stand bullying, 15 vs 1.

This is an example of how Ben likes to relates to women on this site:

"btnben"

Thu, 05/17/2012 - 10:54 This may be of interest to people

So piss off with your derailing tactics Clara

Here is CauseandEffect:

causeandeffect
Wed, 05/16/2012 - 20:48

clara, you are a bold faced liar

Nobody suggested that AA charges. Jeez, woman, you're both a liar and an idiot. I don't really believe in gawd, but I'll make an exception this time and pray for you.

"This is a site to openly discuss and debate AA, Pros and Cons are owner said as much."

It's "our owner" not "are owner" - How many times must you be told. When's lights out?

Actually, that's interesting. TraceLin, lately of this site (banned for rape threats) used to type 'are' instead of 'our' too. Do you think people are taught this spelling method in step school?

PIE, you are a fraud and one of the most insincere members here I have ever met. You totally disregard what your friends do to others.
Well bia..tch it is on...you will have no mercy from me. Good luck!! lMAO!!!
All you are concerned about is proving I am, Herman "Barking" Munster!!

They are a sad example of what AA has become. They would rather quote the big book or other AA literature on here rather than go out and do any real helping to those in trouble. They probably people who are shunned by their own groups and consider coming on here some kind of warped service and like having some attention. They are only here to derail and are fanatical. This sort of thing went on over at ST with some of the same people and that site got bogged down with crap.
Because AA polarises people into those who believe in its methods as a spiritual cure and those who believe it is snake oil you are going to have controversy and the average stepper with blind faith has learnt not to think or question. The AA people that hang around here have no interest in anything constructive about helping people with addiction and have no real understanding of the problems that face people trying to recover from a serious problem. They feel justified in lying but are not even intelligent enough to make the rubbish they spout convincing and cannot see the contradictions. Nobody respects them due to the amount of time they waste with their childish little posts and pathetic little insights. I do find the image of all these losers praying away ( talking to themselves ) in the morning rather amusing, especially the moronic Clara would not be taken seriously by the majority in an AA meeting let alone anywhere else. I have had a Go at them in the past which they seem to think is a sign of anger which I find amusing as I simply regard them as childish and ignorent and I certainly don't surround myself with that type of person in life. They are unaware of their failings as a member of the human race but I'm sure the other members of their little groups spend plenty of time gossiping about them behind their backs in true AA fashion.
Although if they were banned some more idiots will come along it would give this forum a bit of breathing space so I think it is worth kicking them off. Otherwise just ignore them. They are attention seekers so don't give them what the want. Let them sit there writing their 50 posts a day but don't respond. If any hardcore steppers come here they will not really be swayed by any arguments here but those who doubt Bills faith healing program will see straight through any Billshit posted here by the made up personas that think they represent that stunning program. They represent the retarded old timers who Sit in meetings and drag everyone down by repeating those crappy phrases and suggesting prayer as an answer for anything. They represent those that abuse others or those that turn a blind eye when someone else is abusing. They represent the dogma of a wife cheater and a conman as if it was the world of God. If you want to listen to that that crap or argue then AA has meetings in every town with some idiots to talk to in person. Every meeting I ever went to had at least one resident nutter and there were often more!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_Jt_g10Jug

Well, since I was told to getting fucking lost, I guess I have an opinion. That comment said more about the poster (Trisha K) than anything about me.