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I am planning a trip to the east coast where I will interview some folks who have long left AA. It seems there are quite a few back there. Ken Anderson, Steven Slate, and a few listeners from my blog radio show. How many of us could be there for an hour meet up?
Just curious.
and ....if I came to London, how many would meet me there?
BTW... FYI... I will have body guards to protect me.
mfc66uk
Thu, 05/17/2012 - 03:55
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I'm in London but could well
I'm in London but could well be back in LA for a bit in the autumn. You could always interview people over the Internet using Skype while somebody videos them locally and then uploads the files back to you. It depends on how you want to do it, if you are going for a series of talking heads that would work.
massive
Thu, 05/17/2012 - 14:45
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Great idea. If I cant come
Great idea. If I cant come there I can learn to skype. But meeting you all would be amazing too! But if you come here we can meet for sure.
anyone really serious we can have free conference call meetings to strategize. contact me at makeaasafer@gmail.com
Massive
btnben
Thu, 05/17/2012 - 04:18
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London
No problem with a meet in London massive.
God damn it, get me a whiskey
Bill W, Deathbed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc
NoAAUK
Thu, 05/17/2012 - 06:35
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I can meet in London
I can meet in London
......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11
Jesus-is-Fraud
Thu, 05/17/2012 - 09:55
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I could come....
If I had Bill Wilson and the Bum Doctor ravaging my arse..
Of course we would need to have a Bill W. and a Dr Bob, room. Plus the banners, The Non Steps of No AA and the Non Traditions of No AA.
We need to get a No AA Basic Text for the fellowship - toilet rolls will do fine.
And god... where will we fit her and her will for us? The bum Dr could help out there.
And is it BYO Bill Wilson approved Ouja Boards, after all we need the spiritual guidance angle?
With a plentiful supply of AA basic texts, we should be right for toilet paper.
NoAAUK
Thu, 05/17/2012 - 10:04
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The Book of Mormon maks good
The Book of Mormon also makes good toilet paper, its just the right size as well
......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11
massive
Thu, 05/17/2012 - 14:46
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Lets print out Gunthar 2000
Lets print out Gunthar 2000 version of Chapter 5... LOL!!!!!!!
Massive
NoAAUK
Thu, 05/17/2012 - 10:18
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Seriously though a London
Seriously though a London meeting sounds like a good idea. Maybe some sort of email package containing links to the OP, Stinkin Thinkin archives, More Revealed etc and youtube videos could be discussed. This could then be emailed to every MP and GP in the UK and Eire, National Press whatever. We need to be 'Passin it on'. Especially with the deceptive stepper recruitment campaign on Coronation Street. I think this video says it all, even if it is US oriented
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4E1nsmj7cY
Its about time Panorama or Dispatches or both did a program exposing the truth about stepism to the whole UK and Eire
Jesus is Fraud could be onto something there, what about AAA (Anti AA). The Orange Papers, More Revealed and AA Cult or Cure could be the books. All the information is already here, it just needs promoting on a big scale
......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11
btnben
Thu, 05/17/2012 - 11:05
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Interested in getting something going NoAA?
I sort of half heartedly tried this a few months ago with a local church. I never heard anything back from them. There's a standard letter on the OP letters that is aimed at churches where AA meetings are held. A copy of the letter is here.
http://www.orange-papers.org/forum/comment/17135#comment-17135
I would be interested in a campaign where we systematically covered the country - inform the diocese at bishop level and inform the local press at the same time so they might follow it up. What do you reckon?
God damn it, get me a whiskey
Bill W, Deathbed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc
massive
Thu, 05/17/2012 - 14:44
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btbben- I had a similar idea
btbben- I had a similar idea the other day. We all get a letter laying out the dangers going on in 12 step. I already have one which I can put on google docs. Then each of us print the worse three stories on www.nadaytona.org or where ever, we plan a day when we all go into a NEws Station like ABC, CBS, FOX NBC and demand that they investigate the story about AA.
( I plan on hiring someone to help me write and make a newsletter with the most current news horror stories and explaining about how AA has no safety polices, that pedophiles are being sent into meetings where teens are being recruited. )
this tactic was used during the 1960's with civil rights. I think if we did it
We can and could also do it to a local church or Vets Hall where there are alot of meetings held.
After watching the trailer for the new Bill W Documentary film Im on fire to finish my film.
Massive
Clara
Thu, 05/17/2012 - 18:11
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You can't demand that they do
You can't demand that they do a story on AA anymore than Laura could demand HuffPo publish her piece. I got an email where she is complaining that it is an AA conspiracy keeping her from being printed. That is hugely funny. And if people are leaving AA in droves, why is the effort necessary anyway?
Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.
NoAAUK
Sun, 05/20/2012 - 11:39
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Ben I think it might be better to
Ben
I think it might be better to systematically cover all British MP's GP's and Local Authorities as well. Im game I sent a contact email address to massive. Lets get this done
......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11
jonnijoy
Thu, 05/17/2012 - 11:59
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Massive, you have bodyguards
Massive, you have bodyguards with you? Cmon woman your cracking me up! Since your going to Brooklynn make sure you go shopping in Bedford-stuy
Clara
Thu, 05/17/2012 - 18:12
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So much self importance.
So much self importance. This goes along with AA's views on grandiose thinking.
Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.
btnben
Thu, 05/17/2012 - 18:24
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Serenity Meltdown?
Massive's really got your knickers in a twist Clara...lol
God damn it, get me a whiskey
Bill W, Deathbed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc
Clara
Thu, 05/17/2012 - 18:32
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Not at all. I just think it
Not at all. I just think it is humorous. As if you really can go "make" someone do a story. She was on NAdaytona coaching people to publicly ask officials if they were in AA because "they have to answer you..." which is not true. I just don't get why she thinks she can just go in and "demand" something and it will get done. And what could just be protocol gets written off as some conspiracy from AA.
Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.
btnben
Thu, 05/17/2012 - 18:39
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Serenity Clara is seething
LOL
God damn it, get me a whiskey
Bill W, Deathbed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc
Clara
Thu, 05/17/2012 - 19:13
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Naw. Nothing on OPF could
Naw. Nothing on OPF could make me seethe, Ben. You are cute when you try to keep a thread rolling.
Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.
causeandeffect
Thu, 05/17/2012 - 19:13
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Now wait a minute, clara.
Just a few days ago you were claiming that massive must have made Laura write that article, that she couldn't have possibly have had the idea on her own. Now you are claiming that you can't make anybody write what you want.
ben, I think she definitely has more than her knickers in a wad. I haven't seen her screaming and yelling this much in a little while.
Troll free AA critical forum
http://www.expaa.org/
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Clara
Thu, 05/17/2012 - 19:18
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I did not say that, Cause.
I did not say that, Cause. She said herself that she was asked to write the article and would tell me who it was if she had permission to give the information to me.
Why are you so willing to lie?
Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.
Trisha K.
Thu, 05/17/2012 - 19:33
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Clara, C&E is very comfortable behaving this way.
Causy, has no compunction with lying. Both ben and her though have this attraction to you, though. I do not mean to imply anything weird. Just they are infatuated with you and are hell bent on putting you in the worst light they can. I haven't been here in a while and it is exactly how I left, ben and causy scuffling and nipping at your heels.
“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine
massive
Fri, 05/18/2012 - 01:18
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Not for me..I'll be smoking
Not for me..I'll be smoking cigs down at the pier.
Massive
massive
Thu, 05/17/2012 - 14:46
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Love & light love & light
Love & light love & light
Massive
Unhinged
Thu, 05/17/2012 - 18:03
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Am I an ex stepper?
I've got 4 AA meetings under my belt. Step 1, I bought at the time, step 2 made me run away very quickly.
Am I an ex stepper?
If you pay for my ticket, I will go to the USA.
Seriously, if you came to the UK, I would make the trip to London. It would be a buzz to meet some of the peeps that post on here.
If the road to moderation works for me, would you buy me a beer?
massive
Thu, 05/17/2012 - 18:34
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if you went to one AA meeting
if you went to one AA meeting and hated it and left that's good enough. :)
Massive
NoAAUK
Mon, 05/21/2012 - 08:32
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One meeting is enough, they
One meeting is enough, they are more or less all the same "They told me.....I want what they've got....get yourself a sponsor" Thats about it.........over and over and over and OVER..................AGAIN!!!!!!!
Cult Indoctrination of a grand scale
......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11
Clara
Thu, 05/17/2012 - 18:38
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You can only be an ex-stepper
You can only be an ex-stepper if you had been a member - LOL. And, of course, you are a member of AA only if and when YOU say you are. You might not have ever been a member! But she wants peoplel to come to her party, so carry on!
Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.
btnben
Thu, 05/17/2012 - 18:40
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Change the rules to suit...lol
"And, of course, you are a member of AA only if and when YOU say you are." - that's the only way you could qualify Clara...lol
God damn it, get me a whiskey
Bill W, Deathbed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc
Clara
Thu, 05/17/2012 - 19:14
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LOL! That is how it is done
LOL! That is how it is done in AA. I am sure you know!
Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.
Trisha K.
Thu, 05/17/2012 - 18:51
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and carry on Massive will.
Massive, grandiosely announcing to NYC you have body guards coming with you to Brooklyn is probably not a good idea. Just for saying that y'all will probably get your asses kicked...lmao!!!
You will be just fine, just like walking around in Compton.
“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine
massive
Thu, 05/17/2012 - 19:56
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I am surrounded by the light
I am surrounded by the light and love of the AA people that were great from the1970's .
They are all on the other side. They were good peeps.
Trisha K. YOU can not touch me hahahahah
Love & light Love and light LOLO L :))))))
Massive
Trisha K.
Thu, 05/17/2012 - 20:00
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Who said I wanted too...eeeeww!!!
You really are full of yourself.
“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine
massive
Fri, 05/18/2012 - 01:19
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goo goo ga ga
trisshaa KKK ...goo goo ga ga
Massive
massive
Fri, 05/18/2012 - 01:16
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Yo...what's up man....yo yo
Yo...what's up man....yo yo can 't ya see man, that a man that you dude are really like totally far out, crazy, ass...trolling no where man, sitting in a nowhere land, making all your nowhere plans for nobody.
Crack, crack....fizz....fizzz
Like man, Im shivering in my boots dude.
Massive
Unhinged
Thu, 05/17/2012 - 19:02
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OPF meeting.
There should be an OPF meeting sometime in the future or an OPF convention or something. It could begin by everyone sitting down and having dinner together. I would like to see what would happen if ben asked becket to pass the salt. Would she pass the salt or attempt to imbed it in his eye socket?
Afterwards, there could be mud wrestling to settle the troll wars.
Clara
Thu, 05/17/2012 - 19:33
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Unhinged, how would he react
Unhinged, how would he react if she asked HIM to pass the salt?
Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.
massive
Thu, 05/17/2012 - 19:57
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Sounds Great!
Sounds Great!
Massive
cindee33
Mon, 05/21/2012 - 06:19
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Metting Ex-Steppers, what is the purpose?
Just wondering why anyone would want to meet ex steppers. My sister works at the main building for A.A. in Edmonton, Canada. She is a real freak and we don't talk anymore for years. She didn't even drink much but drank the kool-aid, 4 meetings a day, 7 days a week. My other sister who also went to A.A. but was cool had an aneurysm and the boss in A.A. sis, is her power of attorney and told the hospital to take her off meds because she is an addict. The girl can't walk and has been paralyzed for over two years. She needs her meds. It is really fucked up but the A.A.er boss just recites A.A. (we don't talk anymore) and the one who is in hospital still sticks up for A.A. She threw her bedpan at a nurse and the place she is at went ape shit, and she said I didn't know I did that and that I must make an amend. I told her you know fuck them, it is not like you did it on purpose. They have cameras every where and it is a really fucked up place to be, she is going through withdrawal. Coming of diladuid from the other place she was at. It is a really sad story. Plus AA boss sister took over her house and a bunch of shit. Every time I get a chance to talk to the sis who is hospitalized and she mention an A.Aism, I will say how brain washed they are and she will agree, then she gets almost scared and runs back into A.A.'s quotes and arms. Sickening. Sorry, A.A. just makes me so mad when I think of it. Good luck on your journey, I doubt they will say anything (ex steppers) other than I would have been dead or in jail or in an institution etc. Body guards, wow, "what are you paranoid' (said like scarface) Good luck on your journey....I hope you learn something. A.A. is big bucks in the treatment centre industry so good luck breaking hold on anyone who has any power. Power to the people. I hope the people you meet rip A.A. a new asshole. Oh yeah they already have two Bill and Bob.
massive
Mon, 05/21/2012 - 10:35
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Its a trauma recovery support
Its a trauma recovery support group for people have been harmed by the cult, AA/NA You would come vent be with like minded people then maybe move on.
Massive