Jeffrey Dahmer was an AA Member

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Submitted by massive on Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:09

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Last Night on Bio I saw this riveting , horrifying report on Jeff Dahmer. I knew that he was eating people and killing them... but in this 1 hour Biography the details were just disgusting.

When I was still attending AA as a true believer but trying to warn members about predators, and was being shut down as many of you know, I called an old friend from NA who was on the NA board. He told me about this serial killer and Tom said that Dahmer was in AA and was talking about having an eating problem. OMG!

SO, last night they actually mentioned that he attended Alcoholics Anonymous. He did have a serious alcohol problem. After the first time he was arressted, his DAD got him off, ( so he didn't go to prison) and then he went to a rehab. If at this point he went to jail 17 other men would still be alive. The gruesome details were unfathomable.

He tortured two victims by drilling holes in their heads and injecting poison while they were alive!!!! and then he raped them.

Sorry for the details but when I was handing out flyers and making announcements for the Make AA Safer Workshop I brought my hubby to The Marina Center in Culver CIty because I felt too scared to make the announcement. The energy in the room was really scary.

WELCOME TO ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS. A man like this may be sitting next to Aunt Sally at her first meeting or your gay nephew may be a next victim. He went after men. SO sad.

It was really scary. Im so glad they killed him in prison.

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massive

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 17:04

In the TV show His Father said he took him to an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting!!! Thats why. it was not here say. His DAD said it in the interview.....!!!!!!

Massive

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becket

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 17:11

Does that mean he joined AA?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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Clara

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 18:21

Thank you for clarifying. You gave very little information but A single AA meeting doesn't mean he joined. Sounds like he was part of your 95% that left.

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patti

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 17:15

Clara,
do you really believe that anti AAers make gross exaggerations against AA? All the negative books, articles & web sites that exist, the multitudes of people who have the same complaints over & over, all the people who have been damaged, the mentally ill & challenged, the innocent children, the battered & fragile alcohol or drug addict, the suicides, do you really think all these incidents & all these people are just grossly exaggerating. Why would so many people spend so much of their time, so much effort, be so devoted to just grossly exaggerating. How can so many people have the same bad experiences, the same abuses, damages & harm & all of them, & every incident just be a gross exaggeration. Just the sheer amount of people with the same concerns with AA & the same abuses & the same distress's is credible & strong evidence that what they have experienced & write & say is the truth, not gross exaggerations. You can't always be right Clara, it is impossible to always be right & never be wrong.

patti

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Tue, 05/15/2012 - 17:17

You can't always be right patti, it is impossible to always be right & never be wrong.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

gigi

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 17:22

Patti asked a good question. I doubt that Clara will answer it in any substantive or thoughtful way. Do you think everyone is sitting around making stuff up, Becket?

"If I forget who I am, I am myself. If I remember who I am, I am you."

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Tue, 05/15/2012 - 17:50

Never suggested I was right, but I always wonder about any sourcefrom a person that is as biased as this one. You weren't here to know, but when I first got here, which side of the AA line you were on immediately determined if you were believable. One looney, Anti, wouldn't accept any source that couldn't bear peer review. Some even told you what sources were acceptable. Something some guy said that is in NA, not AA, hardly constitutes anything to me because how could he really know about it? Hash, hash, and rehash until something becomes accepted.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

patti

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 18:10

Clara,
once someone has been through the AA ringer & deprograms if they were bill washed they are able to think for themselves & also to have & develop self awareness & honesty. When a person is brain washed, they loss touch with the reality & the truth & they truly believe what they have been told or taught to believe. When they deprogram, they are able to see the lies they used to believe & then act upon the truth. This is what everyone here is doing, they are telling the truth about AA & all of it's many dangers & abuses. Massive is clearly anti AA, there is no hidden agenda, she is courageous & works hard to protect current & future victims from the 13th stepping & other every day AA abuses. She is not biased against AA, she has years of AA experience & has witnessed the horrors & abuses & is clearly against AA. I & others are clearly for AA to be exposed for it's dangerous reality & dissolved, the sooner, the better. The risks far outweigh any benefits. What happens in AA is a person becomes a liar & out of touch with the truth & due to brain washing does not even know they are a liar when they parrot the propaganda they have been mind controlled to say, believe, live & preach. When you do not speak the truth or understand or know the truth, you are not credible. So many, many people can't be lying when they say that AA does not tell the truth, have anything to do with the truth or have members that are truthful. When you write hash, hash, & rehash until something becomes accepted, that is exactly what AA has done to you. You aren't capable of absorbing any other information @ this point & time, the possibility exists that they may change for you, lots of people wake up & get their minds back. Hard core, true believers & fanatics from AA or any other cult aren't believable or credible, they have been taught & brain washed into believing lies & propaganda & that's what the speak & write. Credibility just doesn't exist in this situation, it's not the people who don't believe the lies & propaganda that are the problem or cause the problem.

patti

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Wed, 05/16/2012 - 19:15

deprograms
self-awareness
honesty
brainwashed
lost touch with reality
see the lies
dangers and abuses
the horrors
dangerous reality
parrot the propaganda
mind controlled
get their minds back
hard-core true believers
fanatics
lies and propaganda

Well, patti, I think it's time you dismount from the lofty seat of judgment. You get on peoples' asses for using those awful treatmentese terms, those co-opted time bombs, "denial" and whatever the hell the other one was - you have ZERO room to bitch at ANYONE when your entire vocabulary is absolutely drenched in the language of "treatment". Once you can disentangle your mind from your mouth and say something relevant without resorting to such paranoia-soaked terms, you may have something worth sharing. Till then: ZERO CRED, doll.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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btnben

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 19:17

Meltdown Marietta strikes again...lol

What the fuck is this woman on about now?

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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Persephone In Exile

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 19:39

Ben, sometimes I find that when pondering Marietta Davis it helps to picture a particular character from Harry Potter. Dolores Umbridge. Here's a great clip:

http://youtu.be/slf08hY6pR8

http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/

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btnben

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 19:46

I've always had a less subtle idea...lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2-15mYWpmA

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

patti

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 20:08

you've taken everything out of context, what else is new & different? It doesn't matter what you think, feel or write, AA is ineffective, dangerous, sad & creepy & that's what I think & feel. You'll live & you just do what you have to do.

patti

gigi

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 18:11

Ok. And Patti's original questions? Any thoughts on those?

"If I forget who I am, I am myself. If I remember who I am, I am you."

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Tue, 05/15/2012 - 18:18

Of course I believe some are gross exaggerations, GiGi. I have said so before.

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Tue, 05/15/2012 - 23:22

c & e - thanks for reading what I said. :)NOt what the trolls what to say I said.

Massive

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Tue, 05/15/2012 - 12:40

Saint Blandina - Patron Saint of those Falsely Accused of Cannibalism

During the second century, those working for Marcus Aurelius were ordered to do anything possible to encourage the condemnation and execution of professed Christians. As the Christian rite of Holy Communion (partaking of the flesh and blood of Christ) sounded particularly eerie, Christians were often accused of cannibalism. Her feast day is 2 June.

I just noticed this one too. Shame Lois didn't have a bit of her fire - maybe Bill W would have shut up and got a proper job.

Saint Monica - Patron Saint of Alcoholics

The saintly Monica was not a drunk; her pagan husband was. So, not only is she the patron saint of alcoholics, she is the patron saint of those who have to put up with them. And saintly she must have been, for she was reportedly able to successfully nag him into sobriety, even without the 12 steps - as in the '12 Steps' of Alcoholics Anonymous. Monica lived in the 4th Century and is also the patron saint of difficult marriages. Her feast day is on 27 August.

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

Brett

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 14:13

is the saint for hopless causes, criminals & police, I always thought because of the hopeless causes bit, st Jude was the st for alcoholics, maybe it's more correct to suggest it should be the saint for A.A

Brett

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Tue, 05/15/2012 - 14:00

Interesting, Ben. I recall posting about Saint Monica and being told there was some other saint for drunks.

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Clara

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 14:16

That's right, Brett. It was you.

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Tue, 05/15/2012 - 14:16

The patron saint of alcoholics is St Martin. St Monica is alcoholics and al-anon types combined. The point I was making is, nag him to stop works and they make you a saint. 12 steps don't work. Choice is yours...lol

PS Still can't get the picture of Clara pumping iron in the exercise yard out of my head...lol. Got to think of a suitable name - "Knuckles" Clara, Clara "The Knife" - it will come to me...lol

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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Tue, 05/15/2012 - 14:20

"Knuckles" has a delightful ring to it, Ben!

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mfc66uk

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 14:51

Although you could be unlucky and meet a serial killer anywhere in the world it is unlikely that you would sit a room with them and share personal details about yourself and talk about your vulnerabilities in front of them in the same way you would do in an AA. When I fist joined I thought that everybody would be a decent person and respect the traditions etc but I found a few that would abuse trust and cause problems. The fact that there is little accountability and a la k of organisation makes abuse possible. I can recall being in a beginner meeting in a posh part of town and seeing people that I recognised from other rough meetings who I new had been in prison for very serious crimes. They would share that in a rough meeting but not in the posh one and that is where you find the posh little girls from rehab. The traditions are not adequate for the present times as the world is a much more violent place especially in cities and a wide range of people of all ages are encouraged to go to AA without understanding any of the dangers they may face.

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Tue, 05/15/2012 - 17:05

mfc66- thanks for your great sane post!

Massive

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Tue, 05/15/2012 - 17:25

This argument puts the self-indulgent, I'm-badder-than-you-are drunkalogue theory to bed. That would have been the perfect stage for the criminals to brag on their own badness.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

gigi

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 17:43

Missed the point I think. Sounds like they were trying to come across as upstanding citizens in certain meetings. Maybe to make friends and influence people?

"If I forget who I am, I am myself. If I remember who I am, I am you."

patti

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 17:21

Yes & the public is naive about what AA, NA & the anons are really like & about, they are under the impression that all these organizations are beneficial & benign. They are not aware of the malignancies AA & NA & the anons really are. I guess one solution is for those of us aware of the dangers & abuses to let any one know any time we can, we can be consumer advocates, especially for the teenagers, they are the most helpless & vulnerable AA victims.

patti

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Wed, 05/16/2012 - 19:54

Honestly not the kind of people I want to learn serenity from.

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gigi

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 19:57

Agreed. If that's what a spiritual awakening looks like, I'm tickled pink that I never had one.

"If I forget who I am, I am myself. If I remember who I am, I am you."

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Tue, 05/15/2012 - 15:51

I just might delete the thread. What was I thinking....How could a post about one of the most disgusting serial killers in the US history come to this ????

I'll leave it up a few more hours. Gonna go do a radio show with Donna Cornett from Drink link Moderation

A very Sane author:) www.blogtalkradio.com/saferecovery

Massive

mfc66uk

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 16:27

True but it shows how desperate some of the stepper trolls are to disprove anything that is written here. They must feel threatened by some of the stories and experiences that people share here to post so manically. No hard core stepper is going to change by reading most of what is here and they are happy in their little meetings, but when someone who is starting to question the billshit in the rooms sees the pathetic repedative, nonsensical little troll posts, then I am sure that will make them think. A lot of steppers are used to hearing a lot of crazy stuff in the rooms and that becomes the norm for them. They look stupid when they behave or talk lke a stepper anywhere else and all can see their hypocracy.

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Tue, 05/15/2012 - 16:35

I don't think anyone feels threatened, but look at what you always to do others. It isn't the information; it is always consider the source. I consider that source to be biased to the extreme, and I would always suspect her information due to motive.

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humanspirit

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 17:45

I think everyone's forgetting Clara's inexplicable and absolute hostility towards Massive. I guess Massive got the better of her at some point, and also banned her from her forum. Whatever the real explanation, expect less than serene posts from Clara when it comes to anything involving Massive.

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Tue, 05/15/2012 - 23:25

:) yup...

Massive

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becket

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 19:28

Maybe Massive's grandstanding pushes Clara over the edge. Just a theory. Love you all.

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― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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Wed, 05/16/2012 - 19:40

Nothing about Massive pushes me over th edge. She was just wrong. That Jeffrey Dahmer's father took him to one AA meeting doesn't make her point.

But she is like that. But for some reason, she keeps going back to AA.

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patti

Fri, 05/18/2012 - 03:35

Clar,
that's what I do with the AA literature & information, I consider the sources, Wilson & Buchman, 2 guys that couldn't hold a job, couldn't start or run a business, so they both started a religion/cult! And I suspect their information was ultimately cause they say so, they say this is the way it is, so there is no evidence @ all, just believe & practice what they say. Both of their motives were very clear, they both needed a place to live & funds from followers to pay the bills! So definitely consider the source & their motives before believing & buying.

patti

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Wed, 05/16/2012 - 19:36

Gee, Massive, most of us have been trying to figure that out since you came here.

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Shirley MacLaine

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Wed, 05/16/2012 - 19:48

I am not sure what goes on in that head, but it doesn't take much for her to bully someone. I was embarrassed that I even participated on her blog against that poor girl about personal accountability and unsubscribed. I don't get the thought process. Now JD is an AA member and peoplel from NA can even tell you what he shared. Then the truth comes out and it was a single meeting.

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Wed, 05/16/2012 - 19:58

It wasn't a single meeting and I've proven that to you. Dahmer went to AA of his own accord, even when he was no where near his father. Why are you always constructing a ridiculous strawman that everybody can see through?

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Wed, 05/16/2012 - 20:01

I wasn't. She thought that victims should all look at their role. Many a time in the blogs about AA a member would join after reading a few words and try to set us all straight. They admit to not even reading the "hateful lies" half the time. Read some, verify it, read more. I remember one naive man came in briefly and said that if Bill W. were alive he'd show us all "about ethical responsibility because he had the moral authority" to do so. He had no clue. But oh, the expectations that are put toward the newcomer about 90/90 and each meeting 6 tries before abandoning it.

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Tue, 05/15/2012 - 16:27

Disloser says: to jonnijoy

I think it would be very difficult to "make Jeffrey look like a saint". Unless cannibalism is a pre-requisite.
JJ says: I think you know thats not what i was saying, lets get serious;')
Massive says: How could a post about one of the most disgusting serial killers in the US history come to this ????
JJ asks: How do you rate the worst serial killer Massive? Is it by cannibilism or by amount of people killed? For me it would be the amount of people that the person killed. Were any killed and eaten at an AA mtg? Have you ever known ANYBODY killed inside an AA meeting? In 36 years? Cmon you must have known somebody1

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Tue, 05/15/2012 - 23:28

Have you ever known ANYBODY killed inside an AA meeting? In 36 years? Cmon you must have known somebody1

YES IN LONG BEACH CA> A sponsor told the group about a guy being gay in his 5th step and he went into the meeting and killed the sponsor. He is in prison now.

A mans throat was slit in a meeting in travers Mich. last year.

A woman was stabbed to death out side a meeting in Glendale CA a few years back.

Massive

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Tue, 05/15/2012 - 16:28

That's usually it - end of thread. Why do I have this funny feeling she is, at this moment, reinventing herself? It's like frigging Dr Who - spot the next incarnation...lol

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

humanspirit

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 16:39

Serious question - what was the original Marietta banned for? Becket is obnoxious, irritating, and obviously not particularly bright, but hasn't posted anything overtly bannable as far as I can see (so far). What did she do in her previous incarnation to get herself banned?

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Tue, 05/15/2012 - 16:42

I think it came to a head when she wished PIE a retarded baby. Unacceptable in the normal world - normal fare in Marietta's Poisondrome.

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

humanspirit

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 16:52

Wishing a retarded baby on a person . . . hmm. I guess this this typical of those who have found serenity and achieved a spiritual awakening by practising the 12 steps? Or do you think it was down to the fact that Marietta/Becket decided to leave AA over two decades ago? At least Clara only left relatively recently.

Didn't manage to make it to the quiz tonight, unfortunately!

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Tue, 05/15/2012 - 16:57

Back in 2007 when Marietta joined it was thriving. Loads of posters etc. Then she started bullying people and doing the "look how clever I am" bit. She last posted there last November. They are lucky if the get 5 posts, not posters but posts, per day. Is she a strain of Forum Cancer? Like Typhoid Mary - a carrier who destroys everything around her and moves on...lol

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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Tue, 05/15/2012 - 17:14

So are you saying that when Marietta was on board at the OPF the forum was more interesting, and now that she's gone the forum is down to its core members and not attracting very many new people? Just trying to get it straight.

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Tue, 05/15/2012 - 17:23

It says the e-AA site. Between 2007 and last November you drove 99% of the people away. Time you fucked off back there Marietta.

Oh - And threatening a member with loss of employment didn't win you any friends either Marietta.

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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