Jeffrey Dahmer was an AA Member

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Submitted by massive on Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:09

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Last Night on Bio I saw this riveting , horrifying report on Jeff Dahmer. I knew that he was eating people and killing them... but in this 1 hour Biography the details were just disgusting.

When I was still attending AA as a true believer but trying to warn members about predators, and was being shut down as many of you know, I called an old friend from NA who was on the NA board. He told me about this serial killer and Tom said that Dahmer was in AA and was talking about having an eating problem. OMG!

SO, last night they actually mentioned that he attended Alcoholics Anonymous. He did have a serious alcohol problem. After the first time he was arressted, his DAD got him off, ( so he didn't go to prison) and then he went to a rehab. If at this point he went to jail 17 other men would still be alive. The gruesome details were unfathomable.

He tortured two victims by drilling holes in their heads and injecting poison while they were alive!!!! and then he raped them.

Sorry for the details but when I was handing out flyers and making announcements for the Make AA Safer Workshop I brought my hubby to The Marina Center in Culver CIty because I felt too scared to make the announcement. The energy in the room was really scary.

WELCOME TO ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS. A man like this may be sitting next to Aunt Sally at her first meeting or your gay nephew may be a next victim. He went after men. SO sad.

It was really scary. Im so glad they killed him in prison.

flannigan

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:16

Mr. Dahmer really got his teeth into the program of AA. Sorry, couldn't resist.

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massive

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:19

I wonder is some of his victims he met in AA. I just thought os that possibility!

Massive

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becket

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 14:27

Would that qualify as attraction or promotion?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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btnben

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 14:30

It's the same every time. Have a bit of fun then up pops Marietta and the bitching starts. Fucking ban her again. Useless piece of crap that she is.

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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becket

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 14:46

Why must I take the heat for someone you loathe who is gone from the forum? And why must you be so ugly? Is it necessary?

This is the first, and hopefully the last, time I will ever read anyone claiming that examining the horrors perpetrated by Jeffrey Dahmer is "a little bit of fun".

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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btnben

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 14:56

'This is the first, and hopefully the last, time I will ever read anyone claiming that examining the horrors perpetrated by Jeffrey Dahmer is "a little bit of fun".'

You know for a fact I wasn't referring to the subject of the thread, rather just responding to your latest bit of bitchiness. Stop trying to play the innocent. You are the same person who used to post on here as Marietta Davis. Anyone can look at previous posts and see the likeness of style. Along with that your history is identical apart from the new lie that you are touting about not going to AA for 22 years.

You have no reason to be here. You add nothing. You are a complete waste od space. It is time for you to go.

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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Persephone In Exile

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 15:17

Nonsense, Ben. She's a DIFFERENT loathsome 60 some-odd year old woman who feels the need to snipe an everyone's posts on the OPF while also evading direct questions and using the same style of personal attack.....no, never mind Ben, you were right the first time.

http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/

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Trisha K.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 16:48

Comments!!!
You both are morons at the least and village idiots at best. Try this, "Who gives a shit if Becket is Marietta or not". Orange doesn't, the members here don't, the anti-AA community world wide doesn't, just you two dumb-asses, (Oh and your buddies Human and Causy).
Do us a favor here, " GET LOST"!!!

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

patti

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 17:03

My God, how old are you?

patti

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btnben

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 17:04

It's Danny Bennison. he goes away when you ignore him...lol

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

humanspirit

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 17:52

It's interesting that he seems to get very little time to post these days, but when he does he swoops in and makes ad hom and irrelevant comments about various people on the forum who have disagreed with him in the past, and then disappears again. Is he incarcerated somewhere that doesn't let him out much and/or restricts access to the internet?

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Trisha K.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 17:46

patti, you just got here. In about a year you will understand, trust me. This whack job called ben thinks everyone here is someone else, because it suits this fantasy he has created.
Causy, Junior and their band of merry idiots tend to second everything ben says.
patti, we are so happy you could join the conversation. Just one favor please, don't show us how much of an "ASS" you can be, OK!!

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

patti

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 18:26

Oh my God, trust you, really?

patti

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Persephone In Exile

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 09:39

Funny how Trisha shows up here about once a week and then only to bash certain forum members.

http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/

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becket

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 17:19

If you're talking about me, Persephone, I'll ask you this for the second time, since the first was fruitless: what questions have I failed to address? Ask me here and now and I will answer you.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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Persephone In Exile

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 09:41

The first wasn't fruitless, I cut and pasted half a thread to make it clear to you and then you bolted. I'm not bothering again.

http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/

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becket

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 19:21

Uh huh. Sure.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

Unhinged

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 15:00

becket,

After "hearing" all the rumors about you being another person, I took the liberty to go back and read a lot of Marietta's posts. You seem one and the same. The writing style is almost identical.

becket = Marietta, indeed.

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btnben

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 15:02

Becket is the only person on here who has had anything good to say about Marietta - "intelligent and witty" I think she said...lol. You ain't fooling us Marietta.

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

Unhinged

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 15:13

becket = Marietta = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

Edit..link don't work but you get the idea...

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becket

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 15:20

My comment that has you so stirred up, btnben, was directed toward massive, not toward you. Do you think your compatriots are foundering? Do they need your support? Do you feel that attempting to tear me down is the best support you can offer them?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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becket

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 15:16

Do you base all of your life decisions on what something seems like? "Unhinged" then seems an appropriate name for you.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

Unhinged

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 15:18

becket,

I'm being straight with you here. It's like you are the same person. You write the same.

Maybe it's your twin separated at birth.

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becket

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 15:22

This is so funny: which is the doppelganger?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

Unhinged

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 15:19

Give up becket....

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becket

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 15:23

Give up what? Could you be more specific? Could you spend a little more precious time telling me what I should be doing with my precious time? Maybe you could get a little pushy; I'm pretty busy.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

Unhinged

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 15:25

Why don't you go away, come back as someone else (again) and try being a little more......civil?

Unhinged

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 15:25

Why don't you go away, come back as someone else (again) and try being a little more......civil?

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becket

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 15:34

Your assumption bears repeating?

Have I been hateful to you, Unhinged?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

Unhinged

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 15:42

The repeat was due to my twitchy hand.

No you haven't been hateful to me at all.

The things is becket, I like to think that I call people on their shit and I can get very cheeky sometimes especially when I'm talking to Bible thumpers. I have found myself being a shit.

What bothers me is that you seem to go looking for trouble. No post, no subject, no person is out of bounds for you. Have your passions but it seems to me that you are out to cause trouble however you can and not to stick up for your genuine beliefs. It's all about the fight for you, not the subject.

It's easy to see you are a clever cookie. Use your talent more constructively.

Have you read Marietta's posts? You seem one and the same.

Get a job as a fucking lawyer. You would do well there.

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becket

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 16:35

Why should any post, any subject, any person be out of bounds if I disagree? Have you not noticed that there are times when I do agree? I'm not a Bible thumper or a Big Book thumper.

I have read Marietta's posts. I also have read KURVON's posts and Soberman's posts and several other contributors' posts who have disappeared or are here very irregularly. The fact that there is a similarity in your mind between my style and someone else's does not itch it in stone as a truism.

Although I might have done well in the field, I don't want a job as a lawyer.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

Unhinged

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 17:20

becket,

You can't possibly disagree with 99% of the subject matter you find on the OPF, surely? It's impossible. You like a good fight. You like to challenge and take people on. You like to test yourself against the other Forum members. You like to win. You like to cause trouble.

I have seen you in agreement with other forum members. That's the missing 1%

I know you are not a Bible thumper or a Big Book thumper. If you were, you would have me at your ass quite a bit to call you on your shit.

I can't prove you are Marietta. Your writing style is almost identical. Maybe I should give you the benefit of the doubt? I'm not the fucking judge on this forum anyway.

I think if I needed a lawyer here in Scotland I would ask you to fly over and represent me but I think I would need to keep you on leash in case you started to bite at the ankles of the court room staff.

Did you see the similarities between your writings and Marietta's?

Why don't you start doing more bloggling on subjects you find passionate about?

I hope I'm making sense. I've just smoked some strong weed and it's took me ages to make this post.

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becket

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 19:06

Where you see that I disagree, I disagree. I don't know what percentage of the time that is and I don't particularly care.

There is nothing wrong with being articulate. If more people aspired to it, there would be less confusion on this forum.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

Unhinged

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 19:12

Ok becket. Maybe I'm wrong. I've been wrong before, many a time. I don't want to fight with you. I would much rather be your pal to be honest. I do think you like a fight though. The similarities between yours and Mariettas writings are quite uncanny. No shit.

Anyway, I have no quarrel with you. I do think you could make a much more positve contribution to the forum though

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becket

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 19:23

I'll try not to gag on what I read. It's a start.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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btnben

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 19:24

Feel free to fuck off.

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

Unhinged

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 19:27

You can still fight just try using Queensberry rules.

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Clara

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:27

That's a wives' tale. Jeffrey was doing a prison interview where he answered responded with "they say I have an eating problem..." when asked why he was there.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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Clara

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:33

He speaks on his own behalf, blames his assault of the Laotian boy on his alcoholism, vows to turn his life around, promises to enroll in AA.
It is, as these things go, a smooth performance.
The old white judge buys it and gives Dahmer a suspended sentence.
Interestingly, Dahmer's father, Lionel, writes to the court pleading that his son not be released until he receives psychiatric treatment.
Lionel Dahmer's plea is set aside.
Two days after his release on January 16, 1989, Jeffrey Dahmer kills again.
In the next fourteen months he will savage and murder twelve more young men and boys.>>

Promising to enroll doesn't mean that Jeff ever went to AA. Pacifying the judge and getting a suspended sentence for such a horrendous thing... but it still doesn't make JH a member.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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jonnijoy

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 12:26

So he was in AA, Whats your point? He also held a job most his life and ate at restaurants, drank at bars, went to disneyland and did the same things everybody else does. Trying to make AA more dangerous by saying Dahmer was there is ridiculous. Dont you know that serial murderers are all over the world? They fit right in, they do the same things everybody else does, thats what makes them scary. They even hold trusted positions like drs. psychologists, fully decorated military men, police men and teachers. See here http://rawjustice.com/2010/09/09/15-murderers-who-had-creepy-jobs/
and here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Shipman. And last but not least the biggest serial murders ever, who happened to be trusted men in power http://youtu.be/FDfoJksM83k. They make Jeffrey look like a saint. I think Robert McNamara should be in there too.

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massive

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 12:48

blah, bl;ah , blah

Massive

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becket

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 14:26

Just hazarding a guess, massive, but would your response to jonnijoy's post be, well, dismissive?? "Blah, b;ah[sic], blah" doesn't really qualify as dialogue.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

flannigan

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 12:32

I think it would be very difficult to "make Jeffrey look like a saint". Unless cannibalism is a pre-requisite.

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Tue, 05/15/2012 - 12:50

I don't think anyone is trying to make Dahmer look like a saint, but to use him in an effort to discredit AA is incorrect. And her source is an NA member? All he repeated were the Dahmer jokes that have been around for years. Even Law & Order made a reference to him, saying that this powerful attorney "could make JD sound as if he had an eating disorder." I would think if JD ever made it into a room, someone would know about it as everyone has a ghoul. It would be on the Dahmer tour of WI.

All I could find is that he persuaded a judge to give him a suspended sentence with the promise that he woul enroll in AA. I haven't found anything that says he actually went. There is no oversight with a suspended sentence, so why would he go?

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

humanspirit

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 14:09

That Clara refers to Jeffrey Dahmer as "JD"!

Now there's a thought for those of us who used to frequent ST!

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causeandeffect

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 15:07

She said that the information that he went to AA was confirmed on Bio. Why must you misrepresent, when we all can read? Are you hoping that nobody read the subject of this thread? I find that extremely common; steppers misrepresenting something that anybody can read for themselves.

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Clara

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 15:21

I am not misrepresenting anything. The person has so much personal bias against her subject that how do I even know that is what was on Bio? And how would they know? The promise to go to AA would be a matter of public record, but not that he ever went given that it was a suspended sentence. I have caught the poster before in what I consider to be gross exaggerations in order to make a strike against AA. Some corroboration would be nice. I can't imagine if he did go to AA that it would have been kept under wraps for long, especially once he was dead.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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causeandeffect

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 16:08

"Although he was not initially excited at the idea of living with his grandmother (Dahmer,
1994), Jeffrey soon found the arrangement convenient (Masters, 1993) and stayed there from
1982 until 1988. Jeffrey mowed the lawn, shovelled the walkways and helped in the
flowerbeds while his grandmother cooked meals. The only prohibition placed on Jeffrey was
that he smokes outside (Masters, 1993). The move to West Allis appeared to have its
intended effect. Jeffrey appeared to (a) settle down, (b) restrict his drinking, (c) attend
Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) meetings and (d) mature (Dahmer, 1994)."

JEFFREY LIONEL DAHMER:
A PSYCHOBIOGRAPHICAL STUDY
Eldon Chéze
p.115

http://www.nmmu.ac.za/documents/theses/Eldon%20Ch%C3%A9ze.pdf

I think the bias is yours, and we have all caught you in gross minimization.

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Clara

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 16:32

Not really. I got just what I asked for. After all, what somebody in a NARCOTICS ANONYMOUS meeting says, not even AA, was supposed to bo some sort of corroboration?

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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Tue, 05/15/2012 - 16:52

Clara, in case you don't remember, you said your husband was an NA member. The fact of the matter is that Bill Wilson chanting and the glorification of the adulterous plagiarizing con man Bill Wilson is a common problem in both sects. NA is actually a more progressive cult and much better run than the archaic AA, besides that you married an NA member. NA was born from AA and in this case the child is maturing much better than the parent

Quit being NA-phobic and act more like an NA member and quit being so prejudice or I'll tell your husband you don't like his program.

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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