Westside Combined Districts Meeting This Sunday, (Even on Mother's Day?)

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Submitted by massive on Sat, 05/12/2012 - 01:01

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May 13th, 2012 Olympic High School Cafeteria 721 Ocean Park Boulevard Santa Monica, CA.

These guys meet even on Mothers Day.

Don't they have mothers? Aren't any of them married or aren't some of them Mothers themselves?

Read what they said next: Concept V:
Throughout our world services structure, a traditional "Right of Appeal" ought to prevail, thus assuring us that minority opinion will be heard and that petitions for the redress of personal grievances will be carefully considered.
Newcomers to A.A.'s General Service Conference are often surprised at the pains taken by the presiding officer to make sure the minority has a second opportunity to present its views. Even after extensive debate on an issue, followed by a vote in which a "substantial unanimity" is reached, those opposed are polled individually to see if they wish to speak further to their minority view. In fact, numerous instances can be cited in which this minority view is so compelling the Conference has then reversed itself.

This is A.A.'s "Right of Appeal" in action, and Bill says the same principle should apply to meetings of our area committees, trustee committees and boards. On an issue of grave importance, the minority has the actual duty of presenting its views.

This "Right of Appeal" recognizes that minorities frequently can be right; that even when they are in error they still perform a most valuable service when they compel a thorough-going debate on important issues. The well-heard minority, therefore, is our chief protection against an uninformed, misinformed, hasty or angry majority.

"Trusted servants," according to Bill, "do for the groups what the groups cannot or should not do for themselves." And in exercising their "Right of Decision" (see Concept III), trusted servants are almost always "a small but truly qualified minority"--whether in the form of area committees, staffs, boards or even the General Service Conference itself. It is incumbent upon them, therefore, in their own meetings, to pay special deference to the minority voice.

-from "The Twelve Concepts Illustrated," Concept V

blah, blah, blah , blah.........

I could not resist and responding reminding these ..... that they never gave us the time of day, or did this group Ever discuss Predatory Behavior in AA in West LA. They are liars.

(In my opinion, AA cult members like to live in a fantasy that their special rules, traditions and concepts ...oh yes , the steps too, are very special and different then government.

At least in government I can go to my local City Council meeting and get my voice heard. This never happened at this monthly Westside district meeting in Los Angeles, CA where about 75 or so GSR's meet monthly.

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Sat, 05/12/2012 - 07:14

For the ultimate Mother's Day gift, they could raffle off an Intervention where the entire coven could show up at the prospects house and put the mother into a nice, expensive Hazelden styled Rehab in the quest to make them hit bottom following the Jellinek Curve. For an added touch they could have even baited the prospect by giving them a bottle of wine in the morning as a gift.

"Sometimes it is wise to wait till [s]he goes on a binge. " BB p.90, Working With Others

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becket

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:21

Well, you certainly have your recovery bullshit vocabulary down.

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alkieanon

Sat, 05/12/2012 - 10:34

Are you a voting member?

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Clara

Sat, 05/12/2012 - 14:15

Of course GSRs have families. Does that mean you cannot devote 90 minutes to a meeting on the same day?

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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Sat, 05/12/2012 - 14:36

Sorry mom, I'd like to wake you up with flowers and breakfast, but I have to go figure out how to capture more prospects for the cult of Alcoholics Anonymous and increase Big Book sales and put people in Rehab in the wonderful Rehabs around here. You know like Morningside Recovery in Newport Beach that had its license revoked.

I just don't have the time mom. I have a 15-20 minute drive, I'm supposed to arrive 20 minutes early to gossip about everyone and find a seat, then we have a 60-90 minute meeting. i can't just run off when the meeting ends, I have to stay around for another 20 minutes to gossip and find leads for prospects then another 15-20 minute drive home. I should be home around 11:00, unless they ask me to do a 12 Step call at a local jail, prison or rehab to cheer them up. They are real sick mom, they need me more than you do, so don't expect me home until around 3:00pm, I'll bring some fast food for you to eat, because the morning meeting was a business meeting, I need to go to a regular meeting at 7:00pm, you wouldn't want me to miss it and relapse, would you?

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Sat, 05/12/2012 - 15:40

its a 2 hour meeting on top of the 30 min prior!
WTF is wrong with these people. Going to an AA service meeting on Mothers day.

JR ....thanks for being here and being so sane. :)

Oh yea , they have to suffer ...so they can give it away to keep it right????

Selfless they have to become to stay sober....what a lie, what a cult..what bullshit!

Im glad IM gone.....

Massive

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Sat, 05/12/2012 - 15:49

Ours was generally on a Saturday. Nothing says someone has to suffer in AA for any reason.

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becket

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:22

I'm glad you're gone too.

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Sat, 05/12/2012 - 15:42

WHat? What did you just say?

That a mother should go to am AA General Service Meeting on Mothers Day morning instead of being with HER FAMILY????????????

What Planet are you from?

Oh , yea, The AA member Planet! Got it. See you on Mars.

Wait...let me call Thor! He can help.

Massive

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Clara

Sat, 05/12/2012 - 15:50

Ours were on a Saturday, but I imagine that people can squeeze in a 90 minute meeting even on Mother's Day. How much to you bet the ones that don't want to go DON'T?

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Sat, 05/12/2012 - 16:03

It is on a Sunday morning when some people go to Church. This meeting is always on Sunday and adding 15 minute drive time each way and a half hour of socializing before and after the planning of how to capture more prospects for AAWS Big book sales and Hazelden Rehabs it is a FOUR HOUR time span, not 90 minutes.

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Sat, 05/12/2012 - 16:20

"AA Central Office Steering Committee meets at Central Office the 2nd Thursday of every month at 5:30."

Source: http://aaelpaso.org/Events%20&%20Information.html

Ooops...... when first we practice to deceive..... Not very Spiritual, go back and repeat the Steps.

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Sat, 05/12/2012 - 16:26

She'll say she was talking about Myrtle Beach.

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

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Sat, 05/12/2012 - 17:02

11:00am - District 81 Meeting
The Alano Club on 67th Avenue in Myrtle Beach, SC

Source: http://area62.org/dist81/news81.php

I don't think so....

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Mon, 05/14/2012 - 09:03

I was talking about MB, Penny. I haven't been to a district meeting anywhere else. They generally ran for 90 minutes, and no one bars the door. You can leave early if you have to, and there were no shows.

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Sat, 05/12/2012 - 15:54

I take it that none of the coven members go to church on Sunday? They aren't even holding their battle plans in a church (actually that is a good thing). Not everybody in AA is an atheist, some do go to church regularly, I guess they are just assuming that Sunday mornings are a good time and it is better to go and figure out how to capture prospects, instead of practicing the religion of your choice.

I think there are two things wrong with this meeting and only one has to do with Mothers Day.

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Mon, 05/14/2012 - 09:00

I noticed that mothers were on OPF on Mother's Day. If I had been in MB, I would have gone to my 9:30 meeting as usual, if only to wish happy Mother's Day to those women. It isn't as if you don't have the rest of the day.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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avogadno

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 09:29

There isn't a commitment to be in the forum and certainly no insinuating death threats about putting blogging before all aspects of your life.

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Mon, 05/14/2012 - 18:54

I never got that in AA, either, Avo. The point is that Mother's Day didn't keep people from blogging on an Anti AA board, but someone that went to a meeting is somehow remiss.

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live_free_or_die

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:36

on the OPF on Mother's Day.

Of course, I am a Mo Fo, not a true Mother.

I still called my mom though.

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Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:41

Good for you. I am glad to see that yet another person understands that you can accomplish more than one thing in a day.

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Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:44

I think it is called multi-stepping.

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becket

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:17

"thanks clara

I think it is called multi-stepping."

This is the old "come a little closer so I can slap the shit out of you" tactic. Nice touch, live_free_or_die. You are living up to all expectations.

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Clara

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 07:21

No, it's called just being capable of doing more than one thing, LFOD. Adults usually can.

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alkieanon

Sat, 05/12/2012 - 17:08

Must be a second Sunday of the month scheduling agreement. Bet there will be a few no-shows. And the spirit of rotation should ease the commitment aspect.

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Sat, 05/12/2012 - 17:10

mens meeting 9am every sunday, hard core AA . I always wondered why not saturday? I figured sunday would keep the faithful close. There was no way you were gonna make it to church after meeting. It was many old timers and actually fun, especially the sunday when the whole meeting was about fucking chickens. Barn animals. You're only sick as you secrets..

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Sun, 05/13/2012 - 05:33

What are the elite GSR's of Alcoholics Anonymous doing in Santa Monica at this time? They aren't thinking about the mothers in their life if they are male and they aren't thinking about the possibility of having breakfast with their family if they are female. They are planning on meeting at the Olympic High School Cafeteria at 721 Ocean Park Boulevard to discuss the battle plans of how to capture more prospects for the cult of Alcoholics Anonymous and grow book sales for AAWS and put more people in Hazelden trained rehabs.

If the organizers of the free salesmen of Alcoholics Anonymous are awake, they are cheerfully thinking about bragging about the prospect hunting trips they have been on and the prospect hunting trips they are planning. Perhaps they will be giving tips to other prospect hunters on where to find more poor unfortunates to be captured by the cult, or pick up some tips on where they can look.

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Sun, 05/13/2012 - 05:39

many prospects could be found in the environs of Muscle Beach?

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Sun, 05/13/2012 - 05:49

at 315 Colorado Ave in Santa Monica, or the restaurants nearby for Mothers Day breakfast:
La Serenata de Garibaldi 0.2 mi
Planet Raw 0.2 mi
MA'Kai Lounge 0.3 mi
Tudor House 0.3 mi
La Vecchia Cucina 1.1 mi
Bagel Nosh Deli 1.2 mi
Pradeep's 1.3 mi
Opaque - Dining in the Dark 1.4 mi
Hungry Pocket Falafel House 1.4 mi

http://events.dailybreeze.com/santa_monica_ca/events/show/258679104-bloo...

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Mon, 05/14/2012 - 09:41

Why do you care about what these people are doing on Mother's Day, a fabricated holiday designed to sell floral arrangements and sappy greeting cards? You don't know how they intend to honor their mothers! Some of their mothers are likely deceased - would you rather they stay at home and build a shrine to their mothers? Would kneeling and praying all day for the peaceful repose of their mothers' souls please you more? You are so silly.

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patti

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 09:47

Why do you care about what we or anybody else thinks, feels or does regarding AA or anything else?

patti

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Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:14

Would you have me placed in solitary, patti? Is that your solution for those people who dare to speak up when you start spewing your gospel?

I'm interested. Most of the time I disagree, but you people help me to continue fomulating my way of living. By discarding any thought of implementing your bullshit I can sidestep certain pitfalls. I'm interested in what not to do and how not to think.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

patti

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 09:53

Pretty self explanatory why they care about what AAers are doing on Mother's Day. Because they care about all the detrimental effects AA has on society, especially on the family. AA should never come before family or a parent's interactions with their children or with parenting obligations, including being available & spending holidays with family & children. Come on I know you are very cynical, but this is really dumb. What is wrong with a fabricated holiday, good for the economy, florist's & cards, what's wrong with designating one day of the year to break normal routine & celebrate love & devotion & all the good stuff with the people you love the most in the world? Nothing.

patti

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Mon, 05/14/2012 - 18:59

Nothing, but it also doesn't take the whole day. I imagine unless one is a minor child, few people spend every waking moment of Mother's Day with their mother. Some were even blogging on OPF. If it had been me, I would have had plenty of time to both have our traditional dinner with Mom and to go to an early district meeting without conflict. Kind of a silly argument.

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Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:19

I'm a mother. I vote for every day being Mother's Day, not just one day out of 356/366. We are fierce. It is an honor to be a mother. I don't want cards or flowers. I don't want to go out dinner. I want to continue to be a good mother to my daughter for the rest of my life. It's a celebration every day, even with the difficulties. It is not a break in our "normal routine". One day is not enough. Every day. Until the end.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
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Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:39

What of that?

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Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:21

I divorced when my daughter was young. I had custody. Every day is Father's Day for me. She often tells me I am her mother and father. She's right.

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live_free_or_die

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:28

So you do have balls. : )

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patti

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 19:16

It is silly to you, but you can't decide it is silly for others. It could have been scheduled on another day or another Sunday. AA preaches that it comes before family, this is not cool. I heard so many parents in AA throwing their kids & their kids needs under the bus for a meeting, or retreat or to go preach @ a shelter or jail. AA manipulated & scared these parents that their need to stay sober by overdoing AA was more important than their own children. This is not healthy & the agenda is ultimately that AA benefits the first & the most. This is definitely a cult control behavior & action. I know two teenage girls, Mom's been in AA for years, she throws them under the bus for AA all the time. She met her 2nd husband @ AA, he was on parole, he got mad @ one of his neighbors & actually molotov cocktailed their house & burnt it down. He didn't like the way his neighbors acted, was drunk & high when he burnt their house down. What kind of Mother allows that kind of person to live in her 2 teenage daughters home with them? A devout & Billwashed AA Mom, that's what kind of Mom throws her own kids under the bus.

patti

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Clara

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:04

Sure, it could be. In MB, it wasn't unusual to get an email, rescheduling the event.

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Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:24

I said, "You are so silly." That remark contains no demand that anyone consider you silly.

If your remark about "silly" was not directed at me, fine.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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Tue, 05/15/2012 - 00:12

Thats right patti, Thats so right. Throwing the kids and family under the bus!!!!
When I was at my last meeting last year a new arrival at my old meeting came who was talking about the fact that she had a new baby at home. SHe was having a dilemma about coming to night meetings. Holy F###3king GOD. It was my last meeting so I just didn't care to address it. ( Honestly my 3 little minutes didnt allow for the time I needed to say farewell for my f####king 36 years of service to the cause opps I mean CULT!

But when I had little ones I went to no night meetings for 6 years except once a month to a home meeting with 12 pp. I instinctually knew My babies, my kids needed me more then I needed a meeting.

When I looked around this room a few years back , I counted how many of the women were actually mothers. Guess what folks. It was only about 25%....The rest, gave their kids away and or had abortions, and or never had a kid. SO they knew nothing about what they were talking about.

Massive

patti

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:39

You need our help to decide what not to do & how not to think!! You can't decide what not to do or how not to think on your own? You are 63 years old & you need to interact with people on a forum to guide you on what not to do & how not to think? Come on, that is just absurd bullshit. @ 63 years old you can't on your own decide for your self what not to do & how not to think? @ 63 years old?

patti

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live_free_or_die

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:42

Huh?

Is that kind of dependence due to cultthink?

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Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:12

I don't need your help. I observe your beliefs, I consider what you write, I conclude that that's not the way I want to live and I decide not to think like you.

The absurd bullshit appears in your interpretation of what I have written, dear. I'm 63 years old and my mind is open enough to learn. I compare strong with weak (in your case, extremely weak) and I make my choices accordingly. I need no help. Did I ask you for help? Or did I just hear you inflate yourself again?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

patti

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:47

LFD,
this is what beckett wrote "I'm interested in what not to do and how not to think." this is why she participates daily on this forum. I guess Beckett's dependence upon us, total strangers is cult think & cult act. Beckett needs us to know what not to do & how not to think. How did Beckett make it to 63 years old without this guidance? Huh, is right.

patti

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Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:14

Now here you go running to another poster for support in your insanity. And I also notice how since the day you arrived it's been "us" and "them". You insinuated yourself squarely in the center of the club, didn't you?

Can you not argue your points on your own? Can you even identify your points?

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― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

patti

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:29

Beckett,
if I answer I will be enabling your dependency! lol

patti

patti

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 04:37

Massive,
yes they were not able to manipulate your maternal instinct, a good thing. what's really alarming is that AA is/was/does manipulate other mothers & parents instincts. maternal instinct is so powerful, basic, primal & this "alcohol addict support group" is able to get between a mother & her children. that is definite cult control, a person has to be brainwashed to put their support group before their own children on a regular basis. And the damages & harm domino effect, first harm the members then harm the members children. More innocents harmed & damaged by Wilsonism.

patti

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Thu, 05/17/2012 - 00:46

Patti- yea. God how I hate AA and all that it is right now. I watched the Bill W Doc trailer. I guess we'll be at film festivals together.

Massive

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