The Problem with Alcoholics Anonymous Funeral Crashers - the lowest of lows

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Submitted by JR Harris on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 18:42

Alcoholics Anonymous Funeral Crashers are those who manipulate the grieving family of a person who has died due to complications due to "Alcohol Abuse." They are the lowest manipulators known to man at the present time and do it because they can. Hi-jacking a funeral to further the the "promotion, not attraction" of Alcoholics Anonymous is one of the most despicable actions that can be acted upon by these obvious low life forms.

Have you ever been to a funeral that was hi-jacked by Alcoholics Anonymous members? In your time of great grieving for a loved ones death, do you really want your last farewell to been turned into a circus of Alcoholics Anonymous slogans with the people who failed to help them because they claimed that their way was the only way? Of course not! Were the Alcoholics Anonymous members invited to the funeral to further their agenda of growing the fellowship? Did AA members show up in mass to play out their twisted "look at me" and "I told you this would happen" and "If only they had followed this simple program" of self gratification and obvious narcissistic agenda?

The death of a loved one is a very serious matter and should not be minimized by the drama and antics of Alcoholics Anonymous members that want to portray "its all about the program" and they were too late. It is only a suggestion, but it would be a good idea if AA members were not allowed at funerals, unless they agree not to pull this garbage on the family. Granted, it is a hard thing to do because it is a time of stress, but it should not be cheapened by arm chair evangelists that failed your loved ones anyway. Do you really know these AA members that showed up at the funeral? Did your loved ones even really know them or are they just jumping on the drama bandwagon to help themselves and play out some sick, twisted drama at yours and your loved ones expense? Think about it...........

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Pennywise

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 19:44

I have not seen this myself, but is it true that they finish by making a circle around the coffin (assuming it is set up that way) and saying the Serenity Prayer?

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

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Sat, 05/05/2012 - 19:55

The last funeral I was at was for a friend who was arrested for DUI on Chemo and court mandated. The family knew he wasn't an Alcoholics or Narcotics Anonymous member and I ran shot gun to make sure the leaches didn't show up. He spent less than his last 2 months going to these meetings until he just got too sick. The sickos of AA keep trying to say, he should have fought it, he must have been arrested for some reason etc.. without realizing he just wanted to be left alone. They are the lowest forms of life on the face of the earth.

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alkieanon

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 20:03

JR Harris says: "He spent less than his last 2 months going to these meetings."?

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JR Harris

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 20:09

If you can't make a point, please do not post. (Unless you are a scumbag AA funeral crasher)

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alkieanon

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 20:20

JR Harris says: "... he wasn't an Alcoholics or Narcotics Anonymous member ..."?

Unless you are a scumbag OPF funeral ghoul.

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JR Harris

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 20:23

You still haven't made a point, only vague innuendos, Are you a sociopath living on the misery of others? Perhaps an AA funeral crasher yourself?

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alkieanon

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 20:25

You still haven't made a point, only vague innuendos, Are you a sociopath living on the misery of others? Perhaps an AA basher making stuff up?

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JR Harris

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 20:31

It is a good thing that in most groups only 5-10% are as vicious as you. Please stay away from funerals.

WARNING - ALKIEANON IS THE TYPE OF PERSON YOU DON'T WANT TO SHOW UP AT YOUR FAMILIES FUNERAL!!

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alkieanon

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 20:35

It is a good thing that most people who have left AA are only .001-.01% are as vicious as you. Please stay away from funerals.

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Sat, 05/05/2012 - 20:38

Does anyone want a vile AA spouting person like this at a gathering for the death of a loved one? Read his posts, you don't want to go there, they have no conscience, they are the scum of the earth.

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becket

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 17:06

Who the fuck are you to choose who attends anyone else's funeral? Shit!

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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alkieanon

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 20:39

Pot calling the kettle black.

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JR Harris

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 20:43

I don't think so, you are the main problem with AA members invading the privacy of one of the most private times of a person life and that of their grieving loved ones. You should be in jail if you ever did this at a funeral. (Actually your lucky if you walk or drive away and not in a hearse or ambulance.)

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becket

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:26

You certainly hold your own opinion in the highest esteem, JR Harris, all-knowing, all-seeing, all-understanding guru of almost AA but not quite, hanging on the fringe of a group you nearly fit into and trying desperately to buy your way into with long posts about violence at McDonald's and a dead man's infidelity to his wife.

As opinionated as you are about adultery, god, spirituality, correct and acceptable behaviors within society, you are the one would not be welcome at any human being's funeral due to your compulsion to furnish an index of that person's every malfeasance from alpha to omega.

Step down and step back.

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DeConstructor

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 23:10

but later speak poorly about the deceased at a meeting, with the usual lines of better him than me or some of us must die bullshit.

Members of the AA faith lose social boundaries. They become out of line and behave in the most inappropriate manners.

They behave the way they do at funerals to recruit, market themselves and their wares, and to make a political point.

It is the same as the Westboro Baptist Church showing up at funerals, and should be harshly and immediately dealt with, using all means necessary.

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alkieanon

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 05:50

DeConstructor says: "It is the same as the Westboro Baptist Church showing up at funerals, and should be harshly and immediately dealt with, using all means necessary."

Wondered how long it would take before the "tar with the same brush" attack was used.

Got proof? Even better yet, got photographs?

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JR Harris

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 06:08

Westboro Church is a non-profit organization just like AA. The members are free to do what they want just like AA. Westboro Church was sued for 11 million dollars for showing up at a funeral where they were not wanted, just like AA will be eventually.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hekCtziy5YonbDCAexrOqgJwja1A

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alkieanon

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 06:19

"Church members say they have carried out similar pickets more than 30,000 times ..."

The court case provided evidence, can you?

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JR Harris

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 06:32

Dig deeper.... and take some remedial math classes.

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alkieanon

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 07:01

Scroll down to the bottom of the article that you posted.

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Sun, 05/06/2012 - 07:57

I think what they "say" is a little bit of an exaggeration. that was a quote from one of the delusional liars of that organization. If they did this over a period of 50 years (Church established Sunday, November 27, 1955, but it is unknown when they started picketing funerals) )that would be 600 a year or a little less than 2 a day with no breaks in between. I don't believe they would have the time or resources to do that, much less time to hold mass.

Its just a "small" lie, like the delusional Alcoholics Anonymous members saying that they have saved "millions" when they have no proof. McDonalds on the other hand can make the claim of millions served daily, because they have register receipts and are on the same computer system (standardized because they are all franchises). McDonalds are also thousands of times safer to be at instead of AA meetings.

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becket

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:59

"I think what they "say" is a little bit of an exaggeration."

Of course you do.

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Pennywise

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 07:48

For what it is worth, that court case made it all the way to the Untied States Supreme Court where Westboro prevailed on First Amendment grounds:

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/10pdf/09-751.pdf

The jury here was instructed that it could hold Westboro liable for intentional infliction of emotional distress based on a finding that Westboro’s picketing was “outrageous.” “Outrageousness,” however, is a highly malleable standard with “an inherent subjectiveness about it which would allow a jury to impose liability on the basis of the jurors’ tastes or views, or perhaps on the basis of their dislike of a particular expression.” Hustler , 485 U. S., at 55 (internal quotation marks omitted). In a case such as this, a jury is “unlikely to be neutral with respect to the content of [the] speech,” posing “a real danger of becoming an instrument for the suppression of … ‘vehement, caustic, and sometimes unpleasan[t]’ ” expression. Bose Corp. , 466 U. S., at 510 (quoting New York Times , 376 U. S., at 270). Such a risk is unacceptable; “in public debate [we] must tolerate insulting, and even outrageous, speech in order to provide adequate ‘breathing space’ to the freedoms protected by the First Amendment .” Boos v. Barry , 485 U. S. 312, 322 (1988) (some internal quotation marks omitted). What Westboro said, in the whole context of how and where it chose to say it, is entitled to “special protection” under the First Amendment , and that protection cannot be overcome by a jury finding that the picketing was outrageous.

For all these reasons, the jury verdict imposing tort liability on Westboro for intentional infliction of emotional distress must be set aside.

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

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becket

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 17:09

You are inflating the importance of a run-of-the-mill AA funeral by comparing it to this politically charged fiasco. Nice try. Keep looking for your connection. You'll find something, I have no doubt.

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― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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becket

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:29

At this point the man (or woman) is dead. It didn't matter what others' opinions of him/her were during life, and it matters less in death. Why so concerned about it?

Not many things in life speak louder than a Glock. If you are concerned that AA members might show up unwanted at a funeral, run herd on them with a firearm. I would guess none would insist on staying.

Of course, that would make the after-barbs more painful. Life is a tradeoff, after all.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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jonnijoy

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 07:33

Keep it up alki! I think Jr. Harris is ready to have a meltdown.

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Sun, 05/06/2012 - 09:36

As far back as 2001, at least one blogger was upset that AA members invaded the funeral of a friend. At that time he was attacked by the Serenity Hornets who believed that it was their right, even after he said that himself and the family were unhappy about it and wish it didn't happen. It seems that AA members believed 11 years ago that is was alright to invade...

Member: Curious about others opinions
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Date: 1/7/01
Time: 6:31:09 PM
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An active AA member died and it appeared the entire AA community was there. Some of these people who attended were there simply because this was one of the members. What do you all think about this kind of herd mentality. It didn't sit well with me or the family!!!! Eagar to here your opinions on this. Also how about AA weddings with open invitaions to groups....?

Source: http://www.stayingcyber.org/scarchive/dm010701.htm

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jonnijoy

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 09:46

Well to be frank how do you know that the guy didn't like his friends more than his family? Maybe his family sucked. If that many people from AS go to your funeral you would have to be very involved and popular. Anybody that was or is in as knows this

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causeandeffect

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 09:59

You don't have to be popular. All you have to do is be dead.

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becket

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:31

If you're dead, you don't care.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:46

Also, the dead person may have wanted to not put anyone under any more pressure with their death. Occasionally, especially when someone is terminally ill, they will actually help make the arrangements such as burial or cremation and even stipulate if they even want a service. Hospice helps with these things and I do know of at least one person who chose to not have a service at all with the body viewing, saying good bye, etc... and everyone just went to the widows house bringing food and stuff. No ceremony,no burial and the ashes were delivered a few days later.

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becket

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 15:02

So did those AA bastards show up at the widow's house with multiple hams, chanting slogans and dancing around inappropriately in his home?

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― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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becket

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 17:10

Just as I thought. No protesters, no hams. Doin it wrong.

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― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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Sun, 05/06/2012 - 10:21

The AA's that went to that funeral, many of who didn't appear to even know him, believed they have a right to go during a time of major grieving. They made an AA event out of it, not a blood family event. While we don't know all about it and can "guess" many different scenarios to "make AA participation fit", the blood family are the ones that will have to decide what to do with his clothes and belongings etc...

In the last year, I have had five friends die, all from cancer. I have also not gone to every funeral in respect for the family, sometimes they requested only close friends attend. I had one very close friend that died years ago that even stated he did not want a big massive funeral and his wife agreed. Another friend of the family took it upon herself that it had to be a BIG funeral and was actually trying to plan it and started emailing, calling everyone that she could getting quotes, etc... and I even saw her arguing with the wife demanding she have a BIG funeral.

Personally I have had people that barely knew the deceased and come up to me and ask about the funerals in one sentence and in the other sentence ask what the family is going to be doing with their car or motorcycle. They were looking for a deal, not thinking about the funeral or the deceased. When AA members go to a funeral, and are not known by the family and barely knew the deceased they are going for selfish reasons.

Can I find more instances of this happening? Probably, but chances are most people do not write about it on the Internet so it will be very sparse. People want closure in someones death, and do not need to have the remembrance of a very trying time amplified.

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becket

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:39

In the words of avogadno, "what makes this an AA funeral?"

Everyone goes to funerals for selfish reasons, not just AA members. When you look at the core of grief, it not a group merriment activity - it is personal, private and profound. Funerals are attended by ex-spouses who may or may not have been welcome, and estranged children, and bosses who fired the decedent years before - we all have our own reasons for going. Yet you insist on judging the motives of this small and, honestly, insignificant group of people. On whose authority do you make these assessments? And if you were present and sitting in the midst of any discomfiture, and you did nothing to rectify it on behalf of the family, then you can be considered in collusion with the offensive party.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

disclosure

Mon, 05/07/2012 - 12:50

I got a great watch and some gold at an AA funeral.
It didn't come close to killing the pain but was a nice bonus.

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jonnijoy

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 13:53

Jr Harris, not everybody is family oriented. Especially in recovery. People get high for all kinds of reasons and alot of them are related to how they were treated when they were being raised. Not all parents are good people. If this person had that many 'serenity hornets' at their funeral this person must have been very well liked and very active in AA. Dont forget IVE BEEN THERE. Been to funerals of people who have died of old age or other reasons (even 1 suicide) in AA. The families at all the funerals loved the support. They also loved the fact that their son or husband or daughter, wife were sober. They never complained about serenity hornets showing respects to their loved ones. The one who killed himself because he had suffered depression most of his life and took meds for it, parents didnt blame AA either, why should they? his suicide had nothing to do with AA.

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Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:23

In Al-Anon they want people to disassociate from their victim and the family is called an enabler to make them easier to brainwash. You forget I too have been through AA, NA and Al-Anon. The fact that you didn't pick up on any weird vibes during a funeral you went to could have been for many reasons.

The Dogma and slogans were probably there, but you didn't notice them if you are brainwashed enough and were used to them. The family may have bought the AA program hook, line and sinker and were actually participating in it. Of course the dogma and slogans, which are the advertisements for AA and nothing else, may not have been present at the funeral you went to.

Read the letters that Orange gets and you will see many such instances of AA funerals being hijacked by AA members for their own purposes. Are these proof? Of course not unless you have audio, video or both. But then again you can't disprove that it happens unless you have that proof for all of the funerals. You may have just gone to one that it didn't happen at, or the people at the funeral didn't mind.

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becket

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:57

What purposes?

Please run it through all the proper channels: "All funerals must be conducted in accordance with JR Harris' strict guidelines - no AAs, NAs, AlAnons or any other person who has ever even been even remotely exposed to the 12 steps. Violators will be verbally scourged on the altar of the Orange Papers Forum." Don't forget to have it notarized, stamped, signed, sealed, and placed into your virtual safe deposit box.

Why have you been "through AA, NA and AlAnon"? Can't you decide which flavor of willful misconduct suits you best?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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alkieanon

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 21:14

Paying last respects. People do it all the time.
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=hundreds+pay+respects
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=thousands+pay+respects
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=millions+pay+respects

And there was the 1,500 that recently did it in Fort Pierce.

disclosure

Mon, 05/07/2012 - 12:47

At least he died sober.
Better him than me.
The door didn't swing both ways.
His family and job came first so he lost it all.
You can't save your ass and your face at the same time.

And my personal favorite...
He should have put Becket in his God box.
Resentment is the #1 KILLER in AA.

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dorak nob

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 16:08

I've also heard gossip about the deceased not working a good fourth step, even though he had been in program for twenty years he was a dry drunk. Thats why he committed suicide

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becket

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 17:04

Gossip! Now there's a trusted source!

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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dorak nob

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 17:24

GOSSIP that's what people do after an AA meeting while smoking cigarretes

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Clara

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 17:08

That is what Clancy says about life. He couldn't deal with himself emotionally with being sober so he went back to the drink. I tend to think it's something more than that when people consider suicide to be the answer. It just isn't.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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JR Harris

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 17:10

What does he say about your "slips" in imbibing in alcohol containing food?

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becket

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 17:11

Where is your wife now that she dumped you for someone sane?

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― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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JR Harris

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 17:17

Unless you are lying like most of the members of the confession cult of Alcoholics Anonymous.

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becket

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 17:21

I only lie to you, JR Harris, because you're so fuckin gullible.

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― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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becket

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 16:13

Do you now think Ironic should work a good fourth step? Maybe she would not be feeling suicidal right now. Why not track her down and give her all your wisdom, all your even-handed, equal opportunity wisdom.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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