Clara, can you share with the OPF

Submitted by avogadno on Sun, 05/06/2012 - 13:17

This isn't a personal attack and I'm not trying to prove a hidden point. I'm realy interested in learning how to block users on the computer.

Clara, you claimed that your husband was able to block comments from a couple of forum contributors. Can you please ask your husband how this was done OR ask him to share with us the process?

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patti

Mon, 05/07/2012 - 08:59

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Dan

lol, love the arm & leg approach & strategy to block post's!!!

patti

Mon, 05/07/2012 - 09:02

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Beckett,

tsk, tsk, there are those anger & resentment issue's again. Where the peace, the serenity, the joy, the presence in the utopian dimension post rocketing?

patti

becket

Mon, 05/07/2012 - 13:34

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Yours are not complete

Yours are not complete sentences: "Where the peace, the serenity, the joy, the presence in the utopian dimension post rocketing?"

Did you not get the link to the grammar crimes you are committing?

This might be the first time I've ever had a resentment that someone else felt for me. That's a pretty good system. More coming your way, patti.

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Brett

Mon, 05/07/2012 - 19:31

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clara lies

got caught out with this one didn't you. What rubish ya gonna post 2day

Brett

patti

Mon, 05/07/2012 - 19:50

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Beckett,
you can feel your rage through your written words, you are so frustrated, so exasperated, you are not controlling how we think or feel about AA & not being in control of how we think or feel gets you very, very upset!!! According to AA if you attend meetings & believe in their philosophies & practice & live them you will not only achieve faith healing for your addiction disease, but you will also be peaceful, serene, enjoying life!!! and eventually you get rocketed into a special dimension according to Wilson. did you miss the rocket ship? you are miserable, angry & mental!!! you do more to warn & buyer beware any AA prospect than we could ever do. Your the epitome of the madness of AA & all it's mad, mad philosophies, theories & practices. Thanks for sharing & you'll pray for me & keep coming back!!!

patti

becket

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:31

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patti:

I don't feel my rage through my written words, but maybe you do and that's a solid groove as far as I'm concerned. I don't give a fuck how you think or feel, patti, and I told you that at the very beginning, when you first started showing up here. I also am not at all concerned about what AA 2012 has to say about anything, as I find most of what I know and learn and read about it to be a total bastardization of the program. Bill Wilson is dead, yet you and others here continue to keep him front and center instead of moving forward and finding a path that actually suits you. WAIT! Maybe all this sniggering and finger-pointing and jeering is exactly what suits you.

I am not a member of Alcoholics Anonymous. If you think I drive people away from AA you should be celebrating me, not trying, lamely, to tear me down. Choose a side and stick to it.

I will not pray for you, but I do hope you vaporize, patti. I would never encourage you or anyone like you to "keep coming back".

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patti

Mon, 05/07/2012 - 19:54

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Beckett,

Beckett,
did you see the clip of Wilson so wasted he was slipping out of his chair!!! His head was lolling, he was nodding, he looks like he shot some dope! Wilson was hammered & wasted & babbling, no surprise that he got high or drunk, why not, he was lying & posturing all kinds of stuff, why not lie & pretend he was clean too! lol, that was classic, classic Wilson the con man & full of shit, piece of shit!!! Even you had to notice Wilson was hammered. LOL.

patti

becket

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:31

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Duly noted. I made my

Duly noted. I made my remarks earlier.

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Unhinged

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 05:09

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Clara....

Your husband looks very smart in his suit and tie in your little picture.

Clara

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 17:12

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Clancy is very funny. I

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Unhinged

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 09:39

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Clara?

What....that really is your husband?

Clara

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 17:12

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ROFMAO! Of course that isn't

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Brett

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 08:45

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still waiting

got caught out with this 1 didn't ya 6 beers

Brett

Clara

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 17:12

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Not at all, Brett, and I

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patti

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 08:59

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I'm still waiting too. Still

I'm still waiting too. Still waiting for you Clara, dear to answer the questions I asked the other day regarding Wilson's behavior & actions, adultery, control, mind control, oppressive regimes, just another day in the AA! Still waiting for your opinions, thoughts & feelings Clara. Calling Clara.

patti

becket

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:33

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Are you asking Clara to

Are you asking Clara to explain and/or defend someone else's behavior, patti? Isn't your side of the street wide enough to handle your big fucking ego? No, not mad. I just communicate like this when no other method gets through.

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causeandeffect

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 15:43

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AA inspired insults such as

AA inspired insults such as "Isn't your side of the street wide enough to handle your big fucking ego? are not recognized here. Try harder.

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avogadno

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 10:47

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Sorry I didn't update

Sorry I didn't update everyone. Clara did pm me and explained to me that her husband doesn't wish to share his skills with the people that abuse his wife.

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Clara

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 17:13

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Actually, Avo, it was that he

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avogadno

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:19

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Your husband thought it was

Your husband thought it was poor form for people to ask a favor and decided not to share the information with me because of that. I was only stating the situation as I understood it, because people were still coming forward and asking. Your only response was that you explained it to me, which was sort of like batting a fly away. I wasn't criticizing the decision, although I did point out that I didn't think I was ever being abuse toward you. Since that wasn't refuted, I don't understand why he/you wouldn't want to share it with me. No worries, I'm not complaining. I don't really need it, I just thought it would come in handy some time in the future.

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Pennywise

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:23

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It would go a long way toward

It would go a long way toward proving Clara's credibility. If it's true, and she showed it, I would personally be very impressed by it.

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Clara

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 17:13

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Great mindgame, Penny!

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Pennywise

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:18

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It's not a mindgame. I'm

It's not a mindgame. I'm being straight. I have no problem with you as a person if you are real. None at all. However, I often wonder whether you are for real or just messing with us. For example, I don't believe your husband blocked anyone's posts. I invite you to prove me wrong so I can apologize and move passed my skepticism. So far, you've responded exactly how I thought you would.

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

Clara

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 17:13

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Penny, I can't really respond

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Pennywise

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:23

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It would go a long way toward

It would go a long way toward proving Clara's credibility. If it's true, and she showed it, I would personally be very impressed by it.

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

Clara

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 17:14

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No, you never were, but my

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avogadno

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:15

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Clara said:

”But my husband was at least clever enough to know that nothing told you in a pm would stay that way".

Yes, your husband is so very clever. Not only can he predict that Avo would share a personal message (betray trust?), but he's seemingly found a way to block certain messages in an online forum. A clever computer program that has stumped many here.

Funny how I knew that you would bring up MY revealing your reasons in the pm as if it was a character defect of mine. I thought of this and recognized your bait, but also believed it was more important to share your reasoning with the others rather than keep it to myself.

Keep in mind that it was Sunday that you messaged me and I was just fine with leaving it all be, not discussing it in the forum anymore. Today, on Tuesday, it was YOU that mentioned to Brett that you had "explained it to Avo". As if I had been enlightened by good sound personal reasoning from you, and you and I had a secretive bond ensuing. Not that this would be awful, but I didn't think that it was fair for you not to give the others any sort of answer. A simple “no, I’m not going to share the information” would have been sufficient. It seems that you wanted to string everyone along in some petty little game, rather than spitting it all out. I felt compelled to do this for you, despite knowing that you would call me out on it, because I didn’t want to be part of any little games you were playing. Looks like that backfired! Lol.

Furthermore, you added a few more paragraphs to your reasoning that I have not divulged to the group. So apparently your husband wasn’t THAT clever. I only shared only the information that I thought was needed, and the rest is just between us sober buddies. *hugs*

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becket

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:22

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I missed all this, avogadno:

I missed all this, avogadno: did you actually reveal something told to you in a personal message from Clara?

"Not that this would be awful, but I didn't think that it was fair for you not to give the others any sort of answer." Did you think Clara was sending everyone personal messages identical to the one she sent you?

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avogadno

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:54

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"Did you actually reveal

"Did you actually reveal something told to you in a personal message from Clara?" --Yes

"Did you think Clara was sending everyone personal messages identical to the one she sent you?" --No, that's the point. Like I said, some of it seemed private, the portion I did share did not.

Some of what she wrote to me I thought could be considered as private. The part about her declining to share with the forum the "secret" about blocking, I did not think was private at all, especially since she didn't say anything along the lines of "this is between me and you".

Even still, I thought it best to let it all go. I wasn't even thinking about it until I saw that a couple days later people were still wondering what the situation was, and she didn’t give an answer of any sort. Except that, she told “Avo”. She has said that in the past, openly in the forum. Instead of answering a question she would say, "I already answered that yesterday" or "I told so-n-so all about it in the such-n-such thread". This instilled in me a belief that it wasn't an answer she cared AT ALL about keeping hidden, only that she wanted to keep the conversation rolling. So yes, I did so. And not without questioning whether I thought I should or not. It was truly something I thought that I should do. I don't regret it, it's better than letting people go on a wild goose chase searching for an answer.

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becket

Wed, 05/09/2012 - 11:27

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Why would she have sent the

Let's see . . . "PM - Private Message". So you determine which parts of the message are private and which are not? That's interesting, bordering on entertaining.

Why would she have sent the "non-private" section within a private communication? This stinks, sorry.

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Clara

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 18:51

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It wasn't a character defect

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avogadno

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 18:57

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It isn't about group think,

It isn't about group think, it's about keep information from people. A problem that AA has had since day one. The BB kept the truth hidden and even as the lies were exposed through the years they still continue(d) to print it. Lie, ignore, defend, and recruit.

For three days you ignored the question. I evaluated the situation and I made the answer clear. Again, I don't regret doing it.

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Clara

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 19:08

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I didn't ignore the question.

I didn't ignore the question. I didn't have the information, Avo. And I never suggested or implied in my board response that I had given you something. I posted on the forum that I relayed his position, which isn't the same thing as the procedure. Then again, why would they be entitled to it, if he had been willing?

You divulged because you wanted to and would have regardless of what I posted. I mean, you do know the difference between someone's position and a procedure. Were you simply confused?

Group think. Or ego. Why would I give you something and not the others?

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avogadno

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 19:59

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What was very simple turned

What was very simple turned out very complicated. I asked you: “Clara, will you share with us how your husband did this?” Yes or no was a sufficient answer, which for a couple days never answered. I was confused but only because you gave me a bunch of information and the gist of it was that he felt we were undeserving. The reason he didn't feel compelled to share was clear, the conclusion that he or you would not (what was most important), was basically still up to interpretation. I let the others know, end of story.

I divulged because people deserved to have an answer, and that is all that was said. It does matter what you posted and what you told me in your message. Anything that didn't concern your answer wasn't revealed. If I was playing a game and wanted to despite of any comments, it would have been done the other day and I'd of copy/pasted everything over here. People wanted an answer Clara, that is all. Now they have it. I think you are making a big deal about it because you want to make Avo look bad.

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Clara

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 18:51

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What wasn't that I didn't

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causeandeffect

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 18:56

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Erasing your guilt, huh,

Erasing your guilt, huh, clara?

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becket

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:35

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It's very transparent why you

It's very transparent why you want this alleged "information", avogadno. It comes from a hope to be able to "ignore" particular posters. If I were Clara's husband I would be in hysterics right now over the audacity to ask for such a thing.

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JR Harris

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:49

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Geasemonkey addon and Firefox block posters

You will need rudimentary programming skills, Firefox and the Greasemonkey addon.

http://metatalk.metafilter.com/11049/Greasemonkey-Killfile

P.S. It slows your computer down and just minimizes some of the posts.

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mfc66uk

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 15:03

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I tried to write one for here

I tried to write one for here and it only partially worked because the pages load differently depending on which link you access them from. However I just looked at that script here which is pretty crude because it splits the page but it may be possible to modify it. I will have look when I have time but I suspect the page will be pretty random! This forum is hard enough to follow without fucking it up more.

causeandeffect

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 15:06

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That's very interesting JR,

That's very interesting JR, but I doubt she uses firefox, because it has a built-in spell checker. Clara clearly uses no spell checker. It makes me doubt that her husband is IT.

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avogadno

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 18:42

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Oh my, the horror of it all.

Oh my, the horror of it all. Someone might be laughing at me.

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Clara

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 18:52

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I said I explained his

dup

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avogadno

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 18:59

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That's true.

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patti

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 11:56

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That is hysterical!!! Lol!!!

patti

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:45

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beckett,

beckett,
I do celebrate you, you do more to make people leery of AA, than we could ever buyer beware here. you are an angry, raging anti AA poster & your writings reflect the insanity of AA. try to tear you down, you are enraged, angry, indignant & outraged & it is apparent & one can feel your rage via your writings. you are very openly & clearly hostile & your rage is apparent even. What does how you feel or what you write or your anger, hostility & rage have to do with me? It's all about you Beckett, not me, not any one else on this forum, or any other person. If it were true that you don't give an f what I think or feel that would be a healthy choice for you & others who interact with you, I'm just a stranger on a forum. However, it's apparent you do care what I & others on this forum think & feel, care obsessively. Again, you want to defend, worship, love, like, adore & worship a really bad & immoral dead dude, that has & continues to harm & damage many innocents, knock yourself out.

patti

becket

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:28

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Your powers of perception,

Your powers of perception, patti, are nil. If you were to drop dead of a heart attack in the next five minutes it would take me three days to realize you were gone. Don't give a shit now, won't in the future.

I know relatively little about Bill Wilson or the history of AA, and I'm not particularly inspired to hip myself to any of it. I got sober while in AA, that's all. Your inanity on this board is one factor that drives my responses: not rage, not bitterness, not hostility unless provoked. Personal evaluations of my physical, mental and emotional state are nothing but opinions, and so far have been off the mark. Keep trying, doll face. Thanks for playing!

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patti

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:47

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beckett,

beckett,
you are out to lunch! You know about Wilson & the history of AA, you read all about it on this forum, yet you deny knowledge of it. You do support AA, you got sober, that's the operative word, YOU & GOT. YOU GOT SOBER, would have accomplished this whether you were in AA or not. Did God who had ignored you when you were drinking, suddenly take an interest in whether you were drinking or not because you went to AA meetings? Or did you make a conscious effort to stop drinking & become & stay sober. You are easily provoked & deliberately interact with me who provokes you, but I'm somehow in power of your rage, bitterness & hostility. Come on, live the & your truth. Who you are, how you feel & how you react has nothing to do with me, this forum, any one on this forum, any else in the world, but you. It's all about you Beckett. It does not take any power, not powerful perception, not a medical degree or education, not anything but common knowledge to see you as who you are, angry, bitter, enraged, hostile & out to lunch. You are not particularly inspired to hip your self to the history & facts regarding Wilson & AA, yet you support, defend & "suggest" AA is a good spot & thing. Wouldn't not investigating or "hipping" your self, mean you have contempt prior to investigation? It would take you 3 days to notice I wasn't on the forum, that is a tiny bit of time, you would notice though? And in less than a week, you notice me Beckett. My evaluations aren't about me or my personality, they are about you & your persona, that is what you should be focusing on & healing & fixing. May peace be with you, really.

patti