Uncomplicating things...step by step.

You're funny. Keep coming back.

Oh Clara & Beckett,
neither of you addressed your health issue's, the stalking, the inability to accept that any one rejects AA & thus ultimately you also. It is against the law to pester & bother someone who has made it perfectly clear they reject you & your group. You are only on a forum, what do the two of you do when people leave the meetings you attend, do you stalk them & try to convince them to keep coming back? This forum is an easy AA bully venue, you are legal & allowed to be here, how far you two take this in your day to day life's is another matter. I don't believe either of you has the nerve to confront ex member's in person, the consequence's may be serious & bully's are ultimately cowards. Regarding your unhealthy behavior, neither of you respond. Regarding the fact that you both think you need to belong to a group, lack independence & your own identity & persona, neither of you respond. Regarding both of your mental health & your unhealthy & weird behaviors & actions, neither of you respond.
I used a lot of words to respond to Clara, so what? Anger, hatred, bitterness all part of & normal emotions of the human condition. AA recommends that one does not have these emotions. This is oppressive & unhealthy. When one has been negligently damaged & harmed by any entity a group, a member of a group, it is sane & rational to feel anger, hatred & bitterness. Justifiable & normal emotions. Physiology, fight or flight, a human's survival instinct, flee the rooms & flee AA, it is crazy, harmful & damaging. The psycho babble that is AA & goes on @ meetings is unqualified & dangerous, this is a well known fact, a fact. So we & the other 97% fled. From a distance, away from the irrational, the madness, the brain washed, the insane we have chosen the other survival instinct, fight. Thus we are on this forum to fight the madness of AA, it is a beginning, a start, AA like all oppressive regime's & group's through out history, will stagnate, stagnate & eventually collapse. It's going to happen.
Clara, has your IQ ever been tested? Many people in jail have rejected AA & fought against & won not being sentenced to attend. Not just the guy from the lawsuit. What did he gain? Really? He gained not having to attend, he set another legal precedent for other alcohol & drug addicts, he probably changed the way the DOC of CA. handles rehab sentencing. He made a point & won, he protected constitutional rights for every one in this nation, he protected democracy & religious freedom. That's what he won & every one won because he did this.
The objective is suing for money is 1. to of course seek damages for harm, injuries & suffering. 2. to make an organization, business, individual, etc. etc. pay financially for their negligence, endangering, abuse, etc. etc. 3. to shut down the organization, business, etc. etc. & cease that they harm or endanger any one. AA has been proven, to be ineffective. In addition to that AA has proven to be dangerous & harmful to many individuals, to society & to former member's, physically, mentally & emotionally. AA refuses to be responsible or accountable for all the harm & dangers that occur due to it's existence, thus one solution is to sue, hit them where it hurts, their money & assets. You can be damn sure AA will change & change a lot if it is going to detrimentally effect their wealth, assets & reputation.
Trying to communicate with an irrational lunatic requires quite a few words. One can only hope that one of those words may cut through the mental illness, the unhealthy behaviors of stalking & trolling, the denial that AA has been rejected by many & isn't effective. Both of you chose to be here, chose to be told over & over that you are both mentally ill & need help & both of you continuously will not acknowledge or admit that something is wrong & amiss & needs to be addressed & possibly cured or healed or improved. You both use the AA tactics of deflection & dishonesty & denial, how is that working for you? Neither of you, especially Beckett seems serene, happy or joyful, you both are definitely unhealthy. The dependent personality disorder can be helped with therapy & medication. The inability to be one's own person can be helped by medical professionals, not us. One can't reason with a lunatic.

Beckett,
how hard are you going to cry when AA gets sued by a member who has been sexually abused, who asked for help & reform & was ignored & disregarded. how hard are you going to cry when AA gets sued because of a suicide or another tragedy directly caused by the organization or a member? Will you go completely mental, will you possible shoot up a mall or do something really, really out of control, your anger & hostility boiling over, you going off & really doing something horrible, that will be too late, to change or fix. How long before these verbal hostility towards others with different opinion's than yours digresses into darker & crazier behaviors & actions? Beckett, you seriously need to go see a medical professional, seriously. You are out there & your anger & hostility toward us for not liking AA is abnormal. It is not okay with me if someone like's AA & acts as an abuser, bully & exploiter, such as Wilson & many, many members. It does not have a chance of being a healthy environment, due to Wilson being a shady cat, an immoral man, unethical, etc. Therefore I removed myself from the AA & it's members weird little world & environment. I do not go to AA site's, or meetings & try to change the true believers, the fanatics, the zealots. Lots & lots of AA member's wake up, deprogram & roll. I am here to help the voiceless & down trodden addict, so that those fragile & vulnerable addicts know, know that someone care's, people care that they do not get abused in any 12 step program or rehab or institution. People care that they deprogram & stay clean & get healthy again. Unfortunately, AA & other 12 step group's are unhealthy environments & people need help, need to know others know how they feel, that's what this forum is here to do. So that they can do "research" if they are researching treatment or help. So they know that AA is disliked & critiqued by many, this is a consumer's report forum. So they know there is a big old world outside of those church basements, outside of that weird world, outside of the program an evil, selfish & mentally ill con man created to benefit himself more than any body else. We are not taking their choice away from them, if they want to head to AA that's their choice, we are just letting them know that AA can be a horrible experience, a major mind fck, an unhealthy & destructive environment. Beckett, you need to take a look @ self, instead of us, so does Clara. One does not need to have a medical degree to recognize that you need help, professional help, nothing we can do for you here. Clara you know we don't agree with your views that AA is cool, why do you point out that I don't agree with & put you down for promoting AA, you know that I am anti AA, of course I'm going to put you down. I left AA to get away & get people like you & Beckett out of my life, why if you interact with me on an anti AA forum do you expect any other results. Any body who buys Wilson's crazy faith healing & believes that such a piece of garbage & his insane psycho babble helps any one is crazy, would you like a Moonie to tell you over & over, this works for me, so you should do it too? Or would you think that a Moonie, who worships & adores a man is crazy & isolated & not in touch with reality. Any one who stop's drinking or taking drug's, ends an addiction due to attending AA was going to stop any way, they stopped using, on their own. It's a personal action, God doesn't make one get drunk or high & God or a higher power does not step in & take over & stop an addiction either. It is a personal choice & accomplishment. Beckett, please get some help, really, no conflict intended, get some help, please.

ben,
I did not know that!!! Boy that sure figures, one & the same!!! Oh Jesus, lol.

Clara,
of course I'm going to put down people who support & propagate AA & the con & immoral & unethical Wilson. AA is it's members, come on. Telling you I disagree with your opinion, am aware you are a liar, think you & Beckett both need professional help is not childish. It is mature, it is the way that adult's communicate, they say what they feel & think, they tell the truth & they live in the truth. Bully's get away with bullying in their environment, when all the variables are in their favor & bullying is childish. You & Beckett chose that's the operative word here, chose, to be on this forum, we don't like AA or it's members, of course we are going to communicate to you & Beckett that we don't like you, your thoughts, feelings & input. All AA member's are liars, all of them, whether they are aware of this or not, some are brain washed, all of you parrot Wilson's outright lies & his unproven, not factually, anecdotal sayings & words. That makes you & Beckett, part of the problem & AA ers do this because you all lack your own identity & being your own person & a grown up, you agree to a childish environment & agree to live your life according to Wilson's "suggestions". Do you not find it distressing & disturbing that grown ups parrot another male's words & sayings, some that he plagiarized? That is straight up weird. Do you know any one who goes around parroting Ben Franklin's sayings all the time from Poor Richard's Almanac? Of course, as I've communicated to you before I'm going to jump on you, call a spade, a spade, you are a troll, a stalker, a AA er that can't abide that others don't agree with you & your group, you can't accept you & AA have lost & failed again, you lost again, get over it. But neither of you can because you can't accept rejection of AA & thus self. We are here to be consumer advocate's, to be the buyer beware for those already damaged by AA, deprogramming & for those who may be considering AA or rehab. We see clearly AA for what it really is, see Wilson for who he really was, you are ignorant & happy in AA. Isn't that happiness, that joy, that serenity, enough for you & Beckett? Aren't you both enjoying life enough to not be here? Neither of you is living up to the Stepford AA individual, you are resentful, bitter & Beckett is full of hostility, anger & hate, this not the AA utopia persona, this is not being rocketed into that dimension Wilson claimed existed. Actually both of your presence here is the epitome of AA & it's members, liars, deniers, close & narrow minded, brain washed, self righteous & hypocrites. You preach that AA evolves one into a happy, joyful & serene group member, yet you & Beckett do not live up to that persona. Regarding abuse, you claim I'm abusive due to my communications to you & Beckett, have you read Beckett's post's, have you communicated to Beckett that he/she is angry, hostile, hateful, bitter & abusive. You need to look @ self, you belong to & support, advertise & promote AA, a well known & documented abusive group, started by a well known, abusive con man, who abused females, the weak & vulnerable his entire life. If you were against abuse you would not belong to AA, solving a problem begins with self. Money talks & bullshit walks, you talk the talk but do not walk the walk, neither does Beckett.

Pie,
I agree with communicating to the abuse advocate community what goes on in AA, who Wilson actually was & his & AA's psycho babble regarding abuse victims is a start & is one of the strongest & productive ways to go. Abuse advocate groups, such as Women Against Abuse, let them read the chapter "to wife's". It is common knowledge, common knowledge, that when an individual is hurt or abused in any capacity the healthiest reaction they can benefit from is validation, compassion & empathy. Not "what was your role in the abuse", your responsibility? Wilson was such an abuser & control freak, he had to control the way his follower's felt & thought, so he "suggested" they feel & think as he preached, it was all about control. The last thing a control freak, abuser & oppressor wants is for their victim's to feel justifiable angry, anger is the beginning of deprogramming, it is the beginning of the end of the control freak's rule. I continue to advise the abuse advocate's community regarding AA, Wilson & the "suggestions", writings & abuse. Additionally, I advise MADD, regarding AA's failure rate, AA is not making society safer by healing drunks & thus keeping them off the road. MADD & Women Against Abuse have some major juice, it's a start & the truth is always the beginning of ending abuse.

Clara,
do you have any input on the abuse that goes on in AA? Do you have any opinions regarding oppressive governments & leaders, the Soviets, the Nazi's, Idi Amin, any other dictators? Kim Jong? How do you feel about adulterers? Do you think it is okay for a married person to have sex with another person other than their spouse? How do you feel about women who get sexually exploited when they are fragile, vulnerable, trying to quit an addiction? How do you feel about the female's that Wilson exploited sexually & abused, Lois, Helen, the victims @ AA meetings & in the rooms? What are your thoughts on self righteous & pious religious hypocrites? We all know they exist that is common knowledge. What are your thoughts & feelings regarding stealing & embezzling? Do you think it is okay for someone to do those things especially to a charitable organization & "fellowship"? Do you think that a person who steals & embezzles should be prosecuted & punished, usually jail & restitution are the punishments? Do you think someone should have gone to the Police or D.A. & reported Wilson for stealing & embezzling? Do you think it would have been prudent & practical & made society safer if Wilson had been convicted & placed in prison? I do. What are your thoughts, feelings & opinions regarding these issues? let's have an adult communication, are you up for it? Please advise.

Ben,
wouldn't & never have anticipated that insult or any other insult. I don't have a crystal ball like Beckett! I also anticipate that people I interact with, will treat me with the courtesy, respect & kindness with which I treat them. I get a lot done by being nice to people. Actually the words I don't anticipate but often hear from others, is that I am kind, compassionate, nice & a good girl. That is how I live my life & how I treat others & consequently that is what others have to say & communicate to me. Go figure. Regarding you, have you anticipated the following words I have to wrote regarding you: cool, intelligent, very funny, witty, humorous, entertaining, interesting, smart, truthful, real, mature, grown up, survivor, own man!!! Those are my thoughts, feelings & words regarding you.

meant have to "write"

come on Clara tell me what you think & feel, have an adult conversation & interaction with me? come on, come on, baby, baby, please?