Uncomplicating things...step by step.

You also claim that you use products containing Alcohol. How does that work if you are powerless?

Calling every lie from AA members, one post at a time.

\"As soon as I regained my ability to think, I went carefully over that evening in Washington. ... I now remembered what my alcoholic friends had told me, how they had prophesied that if I had an alcoholic mind, the time and place would come — I would drink again. They had said that though I did raise a defense, it would one day give way before some trivial reason for having a drink. Well, just that did happen and more, for what I had learned of alcoholism did not occur to me at all. I knew from that moment that I had an alcoholic mind. I saw that will power and self-knowledge would not help in those strange mental blank spots. I had never been able to understand people who said that a problem had them hopelessly defeated. I knew then. It was a crushing blow.

The Big Book, 3rd and 4th Editions, William G. Wilson, Chapter 3, More About Alcoholism, pages 41-42.\"

Bill W said you are powerless BEFORE you take a drink, if you are a true alcoholic that is...lol

Not according to the big book. According to the big book, you are the one bastardizing powerlessness. Thanks Pennywise!

\"The Big Book says:

You may think this an extreme case. To us it is not far-fetched, for this kind of thinking has been characteristic of every single one of us. We have sometimes reflected more than Jim did upon the consequences. But there was always the curious mental phenomenon that parallel with our sound reasoning there inevitably ran some insanely trivial excuse for taking the first drink. Our sound reasoning failed to hold us in check. The insane idea won out. Next day we would ask ourselves, in all earnestness and sincerity, how it could have happened. pg 37

Our behavior is as absurd and incomprehensible with respect to the first drink as that of an individual with a passion, say, for jay-walking. pg 37

Not only had I been off guard, I had made no fight whatever against the first drink. This time I had not thought of the consequences at all. I had commenced to drink as carelessly as though the cocktails were ginger ale. I now remembered what my alcoholic friends had told me, how they prophesied that if I had an alcoholic mind, the time and place would come - I would drink again. pg 41-42

Once more: The alcoholic at certain times has no effective mental defense against the first drink. Except in a few rare cases, neither he nor any other human being can provide such a defense. His defense must come from a Higher Power. pg 43

They had said that though I did raise a defense, it would one day give way before some trivial reason for having a drink. Well, just that did happen and more, for what I had learned of alcoholism did not occur to me at all. I knew from that moment that I had an alcoholic mind. I saw that will power and self-knowledge would not help in those strange mental blank spots. pg 41\"

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Are you powerless over taking the first drink?

Are you powerless over drinking beers 2-6 after the first one?

You are leaving out a lot about that.

Now I\'m not saying I\'ve had two years without dope on Subutex. However, my \"relapses\" went down by over 50% when I stopped going to meetings. I think it was because I started encountering a lot less people under the influence haha. I used the powerless excuse a lot.

I\'m still young, and I don\'t want to be a heroin addict. I don\'t even want to be an \"occasional user,\" I think those are rare. I don\'t want to drink or do cocaine. Unfortunately, I sometimes change my mind about that for a day or two at a time (not cocaine, hate that shiat). When I use, it\'s almost always a mistake. Not an unintentional thing just a horrible fucking idea. But it\'s in my power and control. I can\'t tell you how many times I have also declined drugs. Cuz I\'m not powerless to do that. Also, I think the idea of a public display of humiliation every time you admit (to oneself, the person with the power) you made a mistake is just vicious. It\'s more beneficial to myself and those that care about me that I pull it together-and fast-not start from square one.

Maybe that\'s even harder for some people to admit? That they aren\'t powerless and are just a selfish piece of work? It\'s easier to be sick and powerless?

Ironic will tell you that wikipedia is not a credible source.
Data dead,
Conversation (with you) over.

AA dead.
Conversation dead.

the offense of step one: it\'s fkn billshit, the tip of the 12step dick.

for a person who is 22 years removed from the vulnerable and possibly desperate state that you were in when you were prompted to join AA in the first place right? O wise one? You\\\'ve had 22 years to formulate and reformulate your opinion. 22 years to hone such sage advice. Have you forgotten?

Yet that step is followed by the repeated suggestions regarding many matters in your life to, \"let go, let god\". Not to mention other steps involving turning your will over to something else. I won\'t even go into here the things I\'ve been told to just \"let go\", but let\'s say I valued my attorney\'s counsel (and work) a bit more than the idiots who advised me to be a bloody doormat.