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Older sober members (even 6 pak pretenders) views do represent A.A. what is A.A if it is not it\'s fellowship?
Mon, 04/30/2012 - 21:14
SO THEY CAN LIE - and think they will get away with it.
By the way - I AM AN AA MEMBER- Tradition 3.The only requirement for AA membership is a desire to stop drinking. I qualify and I do speak about certain cult members in AA, especially ones that lie.
"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.
Tue, 05/01/2012 - 20:47
JR Harris says: "I AM AN AA MEMBER". You claim that AA is a cult and you freely choose to be a member. The best of both worlds.Exposing the liars of OPF, one member at a time.
Tue, 05/01/2012 - 06:13
Exposing the liars of AA, one member at a time.
Thu, 05/03/2012 - 06:53
Don't Panic - Sage Advice From aacultwatch. Posted Wednesday, 2 May 2012:
"... DON'T PANIC! Most AA meetings are still safe to be around, and most AA members only want to help you.... because helping you helps them as well. So everyone's a winner! ..."Exposing the liars of OPF, one member at a time.
Mon, 04/30/2012 - 22:01
Elder statesman, having founded meetings & done bulk heaps of service work, & as a member my views certainly do speak for A.A as does every other members, even the 6 beer binge pretend members.
Tue, 05/01/2012 - 01:53
A stepper in sheep\'s clothing, eh Brett?
“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian
Tue, 05/01/2012 - 00:32
Its not a fellowship anymore. Its sessions. Ask a Judge.
Tue, 05/01/2012 - 01:55
That\'s a false blanket statement, massive. What, you\'re now going to claim that you miss the good ol\' days when the fellowship was the cornerstone of the program?
This gets funnier and funnier.
Tue, 05/01/2012 - 07:01
I would say 90% of the AA meetings speak for themselves. Which explains the steady decline. Once the court sentencing stops it will be down to a couple hundred thousand fanatics world-wide. As is, the program is nothing more than a get out of jail free card.
Tue, 05/01/2012 - 09:18
AA is dead.
Tue, 05/01/2012 - 13:37
I have read in two separate places now your declaration that AA is dead, discussion over. If it were true that the discussion is over, why were you compelled to repeat this announcement? To dredge up further comments? To incite people to pontificate on how AA is past its prime and not relevant any longer? If AA is dead, leave it be. Your continual pointing to it keeps it alive.
Tue, 05/01/2012 - 13:26
The excuse that the members — even oldtimer members — do not represent A.A., and cannot speak for A.A., sounds like a twist on the "real A.A.":
Baloney. It\'s all really A.A.
Also, if the old members do not represent A.A., who does? The A.A. headquarters in New York City that commits perjury to get more money from A.A. members? Is that the real A.A.?
Oh well, have a good day anyway.
Tue, 05/01/2012 - 13:34
A good day would be a great day if you could fix the \\\\\\\\\\\\ problem.
Tue, 05/01/2012 - 20:48
There is a solution .... They have solved the \\\\\\\\\\\\ problem. LOL!
Tue, 05/01/2012 - 18:09
The newcomer comes to AA looking for help to stop drinking. Within the AA context, they trust the advice of more experienced members. AA culture (understandably) views "older-sober" members in a positive light - the more "time-up" you have, the more likely you are to be respected and regarded as a wise leader.
I think that, in the eyes of the new member, anything which is said in meetings (or by AA members) is AA. AA is the BIg Book and the fellowhship. The fellowship is teh sum of its parts. Whilst there may not be an official line on many issues, a "conventional wisdom" has certainly emerged. It may be different across groups, but there are many commonalities.
Whilst no one person speaks for AA, many things i hear from Clara and Becket are indicative of the "conventional wisdom" and broader culture which can be found in 12 Step Groups.
When talking to people who are familiar with AA (current members, ex members), i often talk about things i heard or was told/taught in AA. That "conventional wisdom" may differ from some interpretations of the Big Book, but it is often linked back to it in some way. An example of the such is the "disease concept". The Book doesn't talk about a disease, but it does mention a "spiritual malady". Even though the "disease concept" would have only been told to them by individual memebers (rather than apporved literature), I think it woudl be reasonable to assume that the average newcomer would perceive it as a teaching of AA.
Ripping the Big Book a new one, One Day at a Time