The Social Class of AA, NA. Should addicts be allowed in AA?

It isn't that Clara "thinks" it is a good or a bad idea. For 75 years, AA has taken a position on alcohol. In 1958, Bill W. addressed the issue of dual addiction. I've included his words on this forum and why dual meetings are inconsistent with AA. No denies that it exists. In our area, too, people were welcome if they kept their shares general, as I have indicated. I know a woman that attends several 12 step meetings for various addictions which she brought up when she was a guest speaker and told her story, yet when she is in her home group, she limits her conversation to the common problem with alcoholism. Works just fine!

What I do not understand, however, is while several people on the forum have made similar observations about the differences between the AA and NA populations, there only seems to be an issue with one person's pov and that is mine. Why is that?

I for one am not arguing that there is a difference between the AA and NA populations. I have read everyone's posts on the subject and I understand what everyone is saying. The only reason that I've taken issue with your POV is because you come across as elitist and consistently appear to be more concerned with appearance and social status than with helping someone who really needs it. I don't believe for a second that you're really concerned with preserving AA for alcoholics only. I think that you hide behind "singleness of purpose" as a way to separate yourself from the ickiness of drugs.

Should grass smokers be allowed into cocaine anonymous meetings? Should clutterers be allowed into gamblers anonymous meetings? Should straight AA memebers be allowed into gay AA meetings? Should men be allowed into womens meetings?
I have the solution. this entire clusterfuck should all be bundled together into a huge pile of shit called the International 12 Step Church that can cure any spiritual disease on earth. Step one should read "we admitted we were powerless over our spiritual disease and our lives had become unmanageable".
Step 12 should read "having had a spiritual awakening, we carried this message to other spiritually diseased people."
Then we could all be one happy family of cult religion enthusiasts.
Tools, Tards, Dolts, DOPES!!!

It was pretty rare for anyone in AA who had joined in the last 10 or 15 years who had not done drugs. They may not have been out and out junkies but were still using them to escape reality. I viewed it as all the same and gave up everything that was mood altering at the same time. I had not abused hard drugs for years but still had my moments.
Recovery for me was about changing the way I lived my life and taking responsibility for my actions. I am not interested in petty arguments about sharing about drugs in meetings or God crap as a solution. Cocaine generally makes people drink a lot and will bring them to harm fast. The one group idea is just another reason that AA is out of touch with the modern world. There will be a few that only drunk but often they did not have much of a problem anyway but had overreacted after getting drunk and got sucked into the AA alcoholic lifetime recovery rubbish.
Some of the real stepper types who love the shares about people shitting themselves or for whom pissing the bed was almost a badge of honour in how low they had sunk seem to look down on people who used drugs. They are the ones that can't wait to tell everyone they are an alcoholic and are proud AA members who rarely miss meetings. They generally don't do much use but just spout the big book phrases and annoy anyone who is trying to straighten out and be part of society. They are more interested in the dogma and their stupid ineffective made up little religeon than helping others recover. They retard the whole recovery process and are a waste of time. Drugs were not such a big issue in the past but now they go hand in hand with the legally available drug alcohol in ruining lives. Many AA people won't worry about that as they just want to share some rubbish in their little local meeting so they get a bit of attention. The sad little trolls that come here with their drivel are extreame versions of the narrow minded delusional inhabitant of scout huts and church basements who think they have found a solution in God for the carnage they have caused in the past. That is the easy option but it rarely works.

I think this is amazing. There are special interest AA meetings. There is one in DC that I doubt any of us could get into because of the nature of the privacy since it is for the elected officials. I have been to gay meetings where it is in their opening statements that it is a GAY meeting and if that bothers you, please leave. Nothing elitist or image about it.

On the money, mfc.

i kept hearing the term real alcoholic as if it were something different then a real drug addict, these wise guys seem to have forgotten that booze is a drug, I was warned not to label myself an alcoholic addict, that there would be repercussions within the group. AA is so out of touch with what being a real anything is. As if 99 percent of the young people weren't cross addicted . But those old timers weren't gonna have anything to do with the young rehab kids, talk about lack of tolerance it was disgusting.

Clara has stated that being sober means abstaining from everything. First of all that is a real problem when vulnerable newcomers continue to be authoritatively counseled to stop all medications including high blood pressure meds, birth control pills and insulin, as counseled by persons with NO medical training whatsoever.

Secondly, there is yet another stupid AA slogan along the line of 'a drug is a drug is a drug'

There is really little difference in the approach by AA/NA/XA towards addiction issues since they continue to promote hardcore, fundamentalist, cult religion as a cure all for each of these 'diseases' they are concocting.

I am guessing others can come up with other 'approved' slogans from the AA faith for this situation.

"There have been multiple claims that fanatic AA's have told members not to take medications. Some have DIED because of it."

Where can I find a report of this having happened? Can you at least say where and when this happened? I hate to have to trudge down this road again, but a "claim" isn't a fact. Since there seem to be "multiple claims", then are they all referenced in one place, or are the sources of these alleged anecdotes spread out all over the country . . . ?