Choice

I don’t quite get the point of this post, Clara. Yes, it is the choice of any individual to start drinking again after they have stopped, and staying sober is, presumably, as simple as that. When I stopped smoking I realized that I could never again smoke ‘just one’ and smoke non-addictively, and that choosing to smoke again would be a very serious decision that was mine to make – no-one else could force me to do it.

Why then, do people need such as yourself need to go to AA meetings for the rest of their lives and practise the 12 steps, which have very little to do with stopping drinking? What does this have to do with your choice as to whether or not to start drinking again if you are convinced of the benefits to yourself of not drinking and the downside of doing so? Do you really spend hours each day listing reasons why you want to drink and also listing reasons why you don’t want to? (This is a genuine question, btw, not in any way a hostile one.)

It seems to me that after all those years in AA, you still have a strong desire to drink and haven’t actually convinced yourself of the fact that drinking again would not be good for you. And this, I think, is a fundamental problem with the AA approach. It seems to me that people are not taught to change the way they think about drinking, and still focus their whole lives on obsessing about alcohol. Recognizing that you have had close scrape, congratulating yourself for getting over it, putting it behind you, and just getting on with your life without booze might be a much more rewarding thing to do. Just a suggestion - obviously no one person, alcoholic or not, is the same as another.

Since the demise of Stinkin Thinkin (which was partially due to threats of a stalker) OPF has become the leading Anti AA forum on the net.

Clara and our other resident trolls know this, and choose to step into the lions den here to promote the AA faith. I have never advocated any of them being banned- even Danny the Dragger. However they must realize when they poke, jab, throw snowballs, or simply insult, many here will not take it.

I understand that at times Clara and her sockpuppets/personalities take the right meds and act somewhat human.She can even behave in a manner that may invoke some sympathy, however, there are also people here that have been wounded badly by the AA faith, and since finding out some realities about AA, they are seriously pissed.

I am certain that many of these people considered trolls here do take the wrath of the anger many of us have at the AA faith. I do it and I think others do.

It is their decision to keep coming back here. I do not think we should have to change our behavior to accomodate them, especially when many of them have made untrue, misleading, deceptive, and fraudulant claims regarding the AA faith...such as the old standby 'i have not seen that in my group'

They have a place to go. They have meetings with their own kind where they can chant Bill W's praise. They choose to come here after repeatedly getting spanked.

Please read: http://www.skepdic.com/mpd.html

But know this, Stinkin Thinkin isn't here because you tore it down with your filthy foul behavior. Orange Papers Forum is not any thing like ST and never will be.
One more thing DeCon there will never be anything you can do about the fact that I am here along with Clara and becket. So you can kiss our collective asses. You are a punk like your others friends and you really have no intention of changing anything in the world of AA. All you want to do is act like a tough guy, like ben and abuse people.
This is not just a site for Anti AA, obviously you don't keep up with what the owner has stated. This is a site for all, to come and have debate. You wish this site had taken ST spot but that is not the case and never will be. Orange is nothing like your Guru scumbag Mark. Two very different people from what I have heard and read. The other thing I heard is what happened to the admins on St was brought on by there own behavior. You reap what you sow.
This site here OP forums is different and Orange is a totally different person, so DeCon, please stop trying to compare this site with ST and act as if this is your site, it is not. This site is for everyone if you haven't noticed.

I don't know what I'm missing.

The topic title is Choice, and my interpretation of the comment was that Clara was agreeing that alcoholism is choice. Was it sarcastic?

Clara and Becket and Trisha all know each other ?

Is that what you are saying Trisha?

You are "with" them?

learn how to read.

I stated in my last post that I have never advocated your banishment, even though I firmly believe you should be in prison.

I am not trying to change this site. Orange has a nice place here. I was simply stating that when you come HERE ((and ditto to Clara/Marietta and company) expect people to call the BS you are claiming.

Whether this site is pro/anti/sideways AA is not the question. Some of us have decided where we stand- and because some of us firmly believe that the AA faith is a dangerous organization- we will continue to expose their deceptiveness.

Just like most of you don't know one another personally. Clara and I occasionally email one another and we support one another here. That is the extent with most of my web site friends.

Danny is dangerous

Yep..... there's some really weird shit going on here.
Why there is a need by "someone" to create alternate personalities (while THINKING their behavior and traits weren't already recognizable!) is way beyond my comprehension.
Maybe those who are guilty of the practice can come clean and explain the reasoning for carrying out this behavior. It seems to be ALOT more interesting than the abstract voodoo AA "traditions" and "principles" and "basic text" that these folks willingly (and are apparently "powerless" to reject as blatant bullshit) succumb themselves to.
Yep..... there's some really weird shit going on here!!!!!!!!