Orange Papers Troll War Analysis for Sunday March 18, 2012

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Submitted by JR Harris on Mon, 03/19/2012 - 02:05

After a slight dip in troll activity on Saturday March 17, 2012 the Orange papers Troll Wars of 2012 resumed again with the usual fervor. Alkieanon has increased his campaign of minimization and deflection by claiming fear mongering and tabloid journalism. Bloggers should be aware that he is teetering on the line giving information out on pro and anti AA information, but has a definite apologetic AA stance and may be fishing for information to use against what he considers Anti-AA bloggers. Clara has for all practical purposes given up her tactic of trying to get people to read the cult manuals and become hooked on chanting the 12 steps in residential churches leading to Stockholm syndrome. Danny B, as the new persona of Trisha K continues the jabs at what he considers "Anti-AA" members and after doing a victory dance at Pennywise and Ben deciding to take a break from the troll war is not too sure what to do since they have returned. Newcomers were again warned of the dangers of allowing private contact with becket who will attempt to find out information about you to use against you as was done when marrietta found out the identity of a fellow blogger and forced his compliance by threatening to contact his employers. Due to the increased activity of the trolls the slated internet activity of the Orange Papers for March 2012 is 2.5 million hits. Covert activity by the trolls using the private messenger function of the forum to gain knowledge of the members may still be happening, but all current members have been warned that the prospect hunters of Alcoholics Anonymous in the digital world are following the instructions of the cult leader Bill Wilson.

"When you discover a prospect for Alcoholics Anonymous, find out all you can about him. " Big Book, Chapter 7, p.90, Working With Others

"See your man alone, if possible. " Big Book, Chapter 7, p.91, Working With Others

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steve cochrane

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 03:48

Marietta/ Becket is this true what JR posts here? Did you do what he says?

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live_free_or_die

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 04:30

I was a witness to the MAre's repeated threats to the referenced former blogger that JR speaks of. MAre did indeed threaten this individual and this blogger is no longer active here. I think you can connect the dots.

As far as becket being Marrietta?

Let me say first that I could be wrong. However, I am 99.99% sure that becket is Marrietta reincarnated. I say this because there are just too many similarities in becket's posts, arguments and composition of the comments posted by becket (mannerisms, if you will). In addition, becket has made comments that are indicative of marrietta's claimed past work experience and life's work, as well as her age.

For instance, marrietta, before banned, would attack newcomers to the blog as soon possible with derogatory comments about the OP or the OPF. And we saw that in becket yesterday. The dots are there.

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steve cochrane

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 05:05

I appreciate your comments regarding this issue. That is, you being a witness to this behavior. I would like to hear from Becket/ Marietta directly. This is a serious issue if true!! There is no room or excuse for this conduct. No matter what anyone says to me on this forum it would never and I mean NEVER warrant a intentional act to harm or damage anothers personal life. This an act of hatred if true. I will be waiting for a reply from you Becket/Marietta. I will interupt another thread if need be to get your reply.

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Mon, 03/19/2012 - 04:08

Clara, after careful reconnaissance missions in the early hours at the Orange Papers Forum, believes she has found a chink in the armor and identified what she considers a weak spot and stages the first of what maybe many skirmishes during the day and attacked massive using personal information like a good little stepper drone at "Pro AA woman defending 13 stepper on one of my blogs" with the post dated Mon, 03/19/2012 - 03:42:

http://orange-papers.org/forum/comment/22777#comment-22777

Unwittingly she has broken the alliance between Trisha K (a.k.a Danny B) who has attempted to leverage his infiltration into the groups by praising the initiatives that massive has started in making AA a safer place. Danny B, due to the banning from many blogs can no longer take back what was said or edit his comments leaving a definite division of the trolls. She has also alienated alkieanon who may be trying the same tactic on the same thread just like Danny B to gain inside knowledge. Expect the following thread to be trashed during the day which is currently at 9 comments:

"Pro AA woman defending 13 stepper on one of my blogs"
http://orange-papers.org/forum/node/996

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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Clara

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 04:08

That's right, JR. Make it all about me so you can whine about it all day.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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JR Harris

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 04:12

"An antagonist (from Greek ἀνταγωνιστής - antagonistēs , "opponent, competitor, enemy, rival")[1] is a character, group of characters, or institution, that represents the opposition against which the protagonist must contend. In other words, 'A person, or a group of people who oppose the main character, or the main characters.'[2] In the classic style of story wherein the action consists of a hero fighting a villain, the two can be regarded as protagonist and antagonist, respectively.[3]

The antagonist may also represent a major threat or obstacle to the main character by their very existence, without necessarily deliberately targeting him or her.

Examples in both film and theatre include Sauron, the main antagonist in The Lord of the Rings, who constantly battles the series' protagonists, and Tybalt, an antagonist in Romeo and Juliet, who slays Mercutio and whose later death results in the exiling of the play's protagonist, Romeo."

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antagonist

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Clara

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 04:50

Nah, I don't consider myself to be a threat to anyone.

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JR Harris

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 05:18

You are by far the heaviest poster on this forum since your arrival, why wouldn't I respond to your attempts to minimize, deflect and prospect hunt on the Orange Papers Forum? How many of what you would consider "Anti-AA" posters have you attempted to talk to in private?

"When you discover a prospect for Alcoholics Anonymous, find out all you can about him. " Big Book, Chapter 7, p.90, Working With Others

"See your man alone, if possible. " Big Book, Chapter 7, p.91, Working With Others

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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Clara

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 05:37

That's your perception. OTOH, you also thank me for the increased traffic, so why is board participation a bad thing? You make forums about me, so what is your role in it?

I am not prospecting here at all. We didn't do that in our club and I am not familiar with that culture. People would come to the club, listen to what people share and decide for themselves who they wanted to work with, or if they even wanted to at all. You can't help people that don't want it, so I doubt anyone would consider OP a prospecting ground. Only those threatened would feel that way and you are the only person that says that to me.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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Ironic

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 07:11

That's why we (or at least I) think that Clara=marietta. Nobody else has that much free time to constantly post on a forum whose message they disagree with.

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Clara

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:44

Well, you might if you were nursing a sick dog and needing to be on hand to aid in seizures. Before MMJ, my dog couldn't even go outside on his own. He needs to be bottle fed and watered. I'm also retired and can do what I want.

I am sorry, but I am just not who others would want me to be. Ben is Marietta! He posts alot, too.

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Ironic

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 15:21

But why here? Why OPF?

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JR Harris

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 04:19

Realizing that she has perhaps alienated alkieanon who has agreed with the main theme of one of massives blogs, Clara retreats her stance agreeing that lawsuits are doable on the post dated Mon, 03/19/2012 - 04:12:

"Yes, press charges if you have a case. Quite doable."
http://orange-papers.org/forum/comment/22783#comment-22783

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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live_free_or_die

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 04:43

I actually read some of the CLar's first comments when she came onboard the good ship OPF.

I quickly surmised that she is a flake.

Since I don't read her posts can somebody give me her claimed bio?
Is she supposedly married to an attorney, who is her sponsor? Is he a criminal defense attorney in El Paso?
Is her pet addicted to pot?

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Mon, 03/19/2012 - 04:53

I am not married to an attorney, but my sponsor is one, but not in El Paso, and my dog is terminally ill with brain cancer and is on MM treatment. How is that for a snapshot?

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Ironic

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 07:13

It's confusing. The initials used are almost always "MMJ"

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Clara

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:41

Oh. Sorry. Still learning! Thanks, Ironic.

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Clara

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 04:49

Typical troll ploy. Never said lawsuits were doable. But thank you again for making it all about glorious me! All your post thus far focus on me.

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Mon, 03/19/2012 - 05:39

First off Clara, this thread is about more people than you. You are the AA troll that made the first morning jab early this morning after reconnaissance. This is not about you entirely, but you are the major antagonist on this forum at this time so you are included in the analysis.

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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Clara

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 06:17

I certainly hope so. I can't help but notice that I get featured in your forum. What recon could you be talking about? I went to a place where I was invited.

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Clara

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 06:15

I don't consider pressing criminal charges should be confused with "lawsuit" which suggest civil legal activity. Thank you for pointing out your blunder.

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JR Harris

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 06:24

Changing original posts like Daddy B (aka Trisha K)? How Spiritual and Rigorously Honest of you. Are the rooms of Alcoholics Anonymous filled with people of your caliber?

http://orange-papers.org/forum/comment/22780#comment-22780

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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Clara

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 06:30

Oh, you mean that I added to it? I sure did. So?

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JR Harris

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 06:35

Trying to realign yourself to prevent possible alienation with Trisha K (Danny B) and alkieanon? Adding is one thing, changing the entire meaning of the post is another and then saying thank you for pointing out MY ERROR?

Your starting to do gutter trolling like Danny B.

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Clara

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 06:42

No. There are no criminal lawsuits. Lawsuits are a function of civil court. I said to bring charges if you have a case.

I also don't align myself with anyone, JR. Don't have to.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

msafrany

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 05:41

Clara = Becket = Marietta

I also read the thread where Marietta admitted to gaining personal information on people by sending personal messages to them. She threatened one person with their job, the blogger went under something like istj04 or something like that. She also keeps a file, as she says of 'snapshots' of peoples posts in case she wants to use them against people in the future.
Careful when dealing with these psychos if you give a shit.
Personally, I don't give a shit.

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Ironic

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 07:15

I agree. I have yet to see becket and Clara on at the same time.

ISTJ was a good blogger. Hopefully there is a hell so marietta can go there.

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becket

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:37

Geniuses at work.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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steve cochrane

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 05:06

Did you do as they said you did?

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Clara

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:49

You could right now.

Who's online

There are currently 6 users online.

•Clara
•JR Harris
•dolson
•causeandeffect
•becket
•AntiDenial

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msafrany

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 09:32

Being on with 2 users at the same time is not an issue.

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becket

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 09:47

Really? What is your other screen name?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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Persephone In Exile

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 05:17

Ironic, I have.

http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/

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JR Harris

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:35

After attempting to deflect the topic on ""Pro AA woman defending 13 stepper on one of my blogs" by attempting the SMART topic switch and various other ploys, Clara hits pay dirt after trashing the thread with a 400% increase in posts and switches the topic to Holly Hill Park and not about 13 Stepping. This will most likely be the third thread that Clara has been able to completely trash by switching the topic to Holly Hill Park. People will find the thread because it is about 13th Stepping and its problems. They will quickly leave the thread when the topic changes to a completely different subject.

The trashing of the thread continues.
http://orange-papers.org/forum/node/996

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

AntiDenial

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:40

JR- it is because of 13 stepping, the preying on women, and the crime that AA members makes the park not an appropriate place to have court mandated violent criminals, predators and 13 steppers
at.

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Clara

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:46

You know, Anti, it does sound like a rather sleazy place. It is apparently a listed cruising spot for gays. I am not sure if it is fair to paint with such a broad brush that one little meeting on a Sunday morning is responsible.

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dolson

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 09:19

It is apparently a listed cruising spot for gays

I am not sure if it is fair to paint with such a broad brush

Oh those gays, ruining things for the rest of us. They should go to bars, then meetings, to score sex like the rest of us.

Perhaps all the non-white minorities should sit at the back of the bus too clara?

Go ahead, enjoy yourselves - it's getting late, much later than you think.

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JR Harris

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:50

Combined they have over 500 comments and have lost any semblance of what the original purpose of the thread is. Clara attempts two methods of deflection continually at this time. Derail the thread by switching to SMART or start talking about if AA and NA started paying rent in Holy Hill Park would they be able to stay.

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

AntiDenial

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:58

Trying to prevent sexual abuse in the park is important, so their is a connection. The rent issue is minor compared to the the risks having an arm of the judicial systsem sending wife beaters, child abusers, rapists, and perverts to a park.

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JR Harris

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 09:04

they are talking about paying rent in the pavilion, with very little mention about how dangerous it is to go to these meeting because of the people they attract. If someone is researching about rapes, 13 Stepping or increased violent crimes in AA meetings, they could care less if rent is being payed in a park in Holly Hill Florida.

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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Clara

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 09:26

But she did care because she would always mention it. I can't do anything about mandating people to AA meetings for charges other than alcohol related crimes, which I deplore, but this is one meeting, one day. The rest are NA and I guess they do have a substantial presence there. I would like to think that if we could implement positive change in one, perhaps the other would be so encouraged.

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AntiDenial

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 09:46

It is hardly positive change to encourage the monopolization of the park. You are being spiteful Clara.
If you were sincere in helping keeping children safe from 13 steppers and sexual predators etc you would not think it appropriate to have meetings next to the playground.

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AntiDenial

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 09:41

As I have stated it is because of the rapes, 13 stepping,increased violent crimes in AA that make Holly Hill Park not an appropriate place to be. In Massive's blog, the woman tried to say the responsibility of the victim not the AA or those that commit the crimes. Sunrise Park or others is not a good place to mandate criminals to. How is a little kid at a playground going to fight back a child rapist? An AA member recently raped a 9 year old at a park in Florida. Is the 9 year old to take responsibility for that?

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Clara

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 09:57

I think she was talking about something else. 13 stepping isn't a crime. What you are describing certainly are crimes.

It is just my opinion, but I think your advocacy might be better spent moving mandated person toward the treatment and/or self help options to suit the crime. I don't think anyone wants a rapist in their midst, and I doubt one would go to AA unless mandated. I could be wrong.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

AntiDenial

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 12:23

Good grief Clara- The courts are sending rapists, sexual predators and wife beaters to AA every single business day in America. A MANDATED AA member raped a 9 year old at a park for God's sake. This little girl will never be the same.

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Clara

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 10:06

Hurrah, JR! That means the traffic will be stellar for this month!

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AntiDenial

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:55

What would you expect with sexual predators and drug dealers mandated to the park? Their have been other 12 step meetings as well. It is only common sense if you invite criminals to the park, you will have criminals in the park, including sexual perverts and predators.

Trying to protect women and children in the park is an important objective.

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www.nadaytona.org

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Clara

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 09:44

So what I have surmised has been the real goal all along? No mishmouth, Anti, because I have worked hard to try to meet your objections and we have the money to offer this group to put them in the legal if we can simply find who we need to go to so it can be put to a vote in a business meeting. We would pay it to the city on the reserve basis that anyone else would have to do in order to assure the spot on their chosen day. I gave you my list of recommendations and asked what you thought.

You started as a constitutionalist that believed in separation in state and church, hence, the options for mandated persons. What you should have been pushing for is that any mandated person be sentenced to whatever treatment or self help designed for their type of crime. I would think any religiosity would be secondary to safety. Why send a rapist to AA at all? So, now, it turns out that my instincts were correct. No traditions arguments or other silly distractions, such as litter or smoking. You just don't want them there, but cannot outrightly say it for some reason. I personally don't want mandated people at AA meetings, but it seems more reasonable that if they are to be there that their problems involve alcohol. Too often, it is the only game in town and anyone ends up there.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

AntiDenial

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 09:40

You have not tried to meet my objections or those of others in the community that have been harmed by 12 steppers. In fact you want to secure their place. This is a very controversial issue, and will only intensify with your current intentions. If you were true to your traditions, you would not encourage more controversy about the problems.

So NO- the goal is not to encourage or condone any organizations to monopolize the pavilion. Have I made myself clear? I don't know how many times I have to try and explain it to you.

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becket

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 09:43

Maybe there are other ways the two of you can work together to implement change and meet your "objectives", which is what I think maybe you mean.

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― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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