Does AA have a 33% success rate after 10 years?

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Submitted by btnben on Sat, 03/17/2012 - 20:30

Clara thinks so. First time I've ever heard that. Is it true? Did I just miss it?

I started this blog because it was going on and on in another thread completely off topic - and it was a good topic Avo brought up. Get your replies over here Clara. No more flooding other people's posts with inanity.

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btnben

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 06:30

Fucking amazing. 22 posts and she still won't answer the question. All I've done is ask, but look at the abuse and snide remarks flying. And she'll come back in a minute and blame me for doing it...lol

"Stepper Stupid" is reaching new hights...lol

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

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Clara

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 06:36

So... just don't read my posts, Ben. I feel that I have answered the question more than once. That you don't like that answer isn't going to change it even if I post 100 times. Nothing better to do that to count people's posts?

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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btnben

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 06:40

Here's one who comes here to "discuss recovery" (Stepper Speak for "look how much better my life is than yours."...lol) and then refuses to answer a simple question. When pushed she resorts to the standard "I've already answered that" response. Please show me where Clara. It will save a lot of time...lol

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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Clara

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 07:09

Ben, I have never said my life is better than yours, but if your behavior is any indicator, I am glad that I have the life I do have. You've been a jerk since day one but that is merely part of your charm. I've answered your question, pal. If you don't like the answer, that is on you an has nothing to do with me, but you really should stop letting others control your mood.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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btnben

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 07:11

Plenty of insults but no answers. How can I not like the answer when I don't know what it is. The question is at the top of this thread. Why are you having such a problem answering it?...lol

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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btnben

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 07:12

"I have never said my life is better than yours, but it is though"...lol

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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Clara

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 07:20

Not what I said at all, Ben, but you are humorous. Be the progam you want others to see, dear. If this is what SMART generates... I may have to rethink it. What I have said is that my life is better with AA than it had been without it.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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btnben

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 07:26

Come on Clara - one post - just one - without a slogan...lol Why are you thinking of going to SMART anyway? 5 years without a drink - you've already graduated - no need to go. Crazy...lol

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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Clara

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 07:31

I didn't even get that from AA. It's a take off of "Be the change you want others to see." Any clues on that one, Ben? Find the posts from me that have AA slogans in them, Ben.

We don't have SMART meetings in EP. 9 across the whole great state of Texas. I would think you'd WANT to be sure that people have options. I don't even need to have been in recovery to become a facilitator.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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btnben

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 06:43

This site is dedicated to exposing the lies of AA. To do that requires that we read what AA are saying. It's a shit job, but someone's got to do it...lol

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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Clara

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 06:59

I've never forgotten it, Ben, but that doesn't account for the immaturity and childishness. You'd be more effective if your character defects didn't come flying out before your message.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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btnben

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 07:02

I know AAs hate that, but flinging insults doesn't help matters. Are you going to answer the question?

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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Clara

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 07:05

Sure, that is all you've done, silly boy. Over and over again because you don't like the response and think it will change if you just ask enough... You know what the definition of insanity is to AAs and it didn't even come from Bill W.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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btnben

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 07:07

You lied and you refuse to repeat the lie when challenged about it...lol. Keep deflecting - or trying to...lol. You're not getting away with it this time. Just answer the question at the top of this thread and that will be an end to it...lol

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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Clara

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 07:10

I agree, Ben. My answer is out there for everyone to see. Thank you for making the thread about me. No one made that choice but you.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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btnben

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 07:14

are you saying that AA's 2007 survey says that AA has a 33% success rate at 10 years? All I'm trying to clear up is why you can't understand what the survey says...lol

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

Pogue Mahone

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 11:45

Maybe she put the cotton in her eyes?

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btnben

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 11:50

Thanks for that. Bit of music for you. The drummer's an old mate. He's coming down here in a couple of weeks. Bloody funny vid though - he's got dreads down to his ass now...lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPbz6kVSU3Y

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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btnben

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 07:16

Obviously...lol. The old snide machine had a bit of a blip there Clara...lol. I made this thread because I knew you wouldn't admit to your lie and we've now got a nice virgin bit of Clara deflection - not mixed in with and flooding another thread.

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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Sun, 03/18/2012 - 08:28

Ben, if you don't like my posting style, then don't read them. If someone asks me a question, I can anser it without shouting that it is off topic. Topics change often and it is a ploy of several to derail a thread by asking something personal or an opinion.

No one controls your behavior but you, Ben. I've heard that since I was five.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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Trisha K.

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 09:49

Clara, I think he missed your conversation. ben I congratulate you, Clara is a very good people.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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btnben

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 08:10

You're unnecessary

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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Clara

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 08:30

Off topic trollish stuff, eh, Ben? You can't be Hungry because you've just had dinner, you are definitely Angry because your language takes a dive then... is your wife home? You might be Lonely, and you've been up all night, so perhaps you are Tired.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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btnben

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 08:36

Danny is a banned troll. You have to give them a verbal slap whenever you see them. It's a rule...lol

I'm not angry. I don't do angry. "Don't get angry, get even" - that's what I tend towards. You won't like it, but I do...lol.

Only put the dinner on half an hour ago. Be another 2 hours yet. Neither lonely nor tired either. You got a big zilch on that post...lol

Are 33% of people who enter AA sober after 10 years? It's a simple yes or no. What's the problem. You're refusal to answer is starting to smell Clara...lol

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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Clara

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 09:01

Who cares what it smells like to you, Ben? Youare of the belief that if someone doesn't agree with you or has a different opinion, they are lying. People have different experiences, perceptions and pov. Doesn't mean that they are just outrightly lying. You are very black and white in a world filled with grey.

You have a mean spirit, Ben, at least the one you've displayed to me, and it has nothing to do with AA. It's just a side of who you are.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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btnben

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 09:08

It's your integrity in question. The question at the beginning of this thread is very simple. It's a yes/no, on/off, black/white, boolean question. You seem to be afraid to answer it - can't think why. Your fear has driven you to abuse - common among the stepper fraternity...lol.

If ever you meet any of my friends ask them. I don't think there will be one who says I have a "mean spirit" whatever that is...lol. Do you mean average or ungenerous when you say mean?...lol

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

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Clara

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 10:49

I am sure that you treat your friends differently, Ben.

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becket

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 12:18

"I'm not angry. I don't do angry. "Don't get angry, get even" "

Actually, you DO angry, you just don't do it well. And as far as getting "even" -

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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btnben

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 12:22

I laugh most of the time. I don't get angry. The stupidity of some posters on here is frustrating, but that's not anger. Now YOU doing anger we see every day...lol

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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Clara

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 13:51

You get angry, and if you think you are getting even with someone by posting ad nauseum, then so be it. Your anger comes out in your caps and swear words and cattiness. Emotionally sober people don't have to get even.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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btnben

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 13:52

On a mission...lol

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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Trisha K.

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 09:56

Ben's behavior is just as steady as my watch. I can count on him to show us all what his character really is.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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Clara

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 07:17

"Oh, I am such the victim..." Is that what your whine is now, Ben?

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btnben

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 07:24

?????

God damn it, get me a whiskey

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becket

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 12:12

"All I've done is ask, but look at the abuse and snide remarks flying."

Yes, btnben, "fucking amazing". Fucking amazing, your parody of a blameless victim.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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btnben

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 12:20

Never have been, never will be. Can you say the same Marietta?...lol.

Whatever you do, don't address the point of the post...lol people might start thinking your normal...lol

Look at that survey Marietta and tell me that AA says 33% of entrants reach 10 years sobriety. Give us all a laugh...lol.

Turbo - this is Marietta troll. Banned but back under another name. Her and Danny are the only two.

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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btnben

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 08:09

Clara's just told me to go back and read the survey again. I have read it many times and it doesn't say what you think it says Clara. If you can't read, why are you discussing things? That survey is an obvious con trick that you seem to have fallen for hook line and sinker. All I want you to do is say you agree with the title of this thread and I will leave it. I'll make sure I have a copy to laugh at and use in future, but I will end this thread...lol.

Do you believe that AA has a 33% success rate after 10 years? Pretty easy question Clara. The survey says it doesn't, but what do you think?

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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avogadno

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 09:37

Another topic going to hell because of the:

"I said this"
"No you didn't"
"Well if you would just read"
"If only you knew how to read"
crap. LOL.

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Clara

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 10:48

Yes, Avo. Why not just accept someone's answer in the first place? No one says a person has to like or or agree with it.

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btnben

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 11:16

If they don't know what your answer is? Have I missed it? Can anyone point me to where Clara answered the question at the beginning of this thread? Surely someone must have seen it? She has said she has answered it so many times, when all it needed was an answer to stop all of these posts. Clara is getting really annoying with this sabotaging of threads.

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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Clara

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 13:36

Yes, I did answer it, and you are quite correct about how annoying it got that you simply wouldn't accept the answer. And you said you were going to keep on. So... you are! Why not just own your part?

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btnben

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 13:39

Yes or no...lol. What is wrong with you...lol

God damn it, get me a whiskey

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becket

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 13:45

Do you not have the capability to go back through the posts and look for Clara's answer? Quit badgering.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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btnben

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 13:48

You accuse me of child abuse? My sights are solely on you - you cowardly piece of shit.

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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Trisha K.

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 09:49

Which is why people are leaving in droves. Ben is just to ignorant to realize he is a big part of why people have left.
It is one thing to debate and then have it digress into a argument. But here with several members that have to get personal and attack. They have proven over and over that they can't have a conversation without becoming belligerent.
Sad part is many XAA's enable this behavior yet cry about how chaotic the site has become.
If you doubt what I am saying follow one of bens conversations recently. You know exactly when his personal attacks are going to start.
The fallout from this behavior does not help this site.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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avogadno

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 10:01

It's practically everyone Trish, get a clue. Since the inception of the OP ad homs sprang into action. After the first blow, people have thrown counter punches. It's human nature.

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JR Harris

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 10:09

trying to push the AA faith on the members of the forum using multiple user names after they got banned. You keep making a division of the groups as Pro-AA and Anti-AA and yet claim this is an Anti-AA site. Which are you Pro or Anti?

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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becket

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 12:28

Not all AAs are trying to push "the faith". I've seen folks come on this forum who don't take pro- or con- sides, but advocate for the truth. They have been solicited and embraced but have refused to form an alliance with either side. The AAs or former AAs who have come onto this forum questioning the exaggerated and biased information that can be found here are doing as much of a service as those who despise AA and who would do a happy dance if the entire structure burned to the ground. Wherever you find shit you will find flies. That's what this forum is all about.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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btnben

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 12:31

Bet there aren't that many...lol.

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

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live_free_or_die

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 12:41

with authority since she has been here for all of 2 weeks?

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