Richard Allen Paul, 57 of Cloquet in Carlton County Minnesota has been mandated to attend three AA meetings a week. He has gone through the elite training of Hazelden on the proper methods to chant the 12 Steps of Bill Wilson and will be back in society soon. He will make a fine Sponcee and Sponsor, so what if he was found outside a teenagers window in a ski mask with a gun peeking in, people change when they become anonymous in the secret society of Alcoholics Anonymous. He may even help in his area with the yearly bidding wars to bring Young People in Alcoholics Anonymous (YPAA) to his fine city when he gets high enough in the cult. Paul was the director of Behavior Services for Essentia Health in Duluth before he was arrested and I am not sure if making him join an Anonymous, secret society is the correct rehabilitation for him.

Published March 14, 2012, 01:29 PM
By: Jana Peterson, Pine Journal
"Sixth District Judge Robert Macaulay quadrupled the recommended jail time Wednesday when he sentenced a Cloquet man who was caught peeping at his neighbor’s juvenile daughters through her bedroom window.
Richard Allen Paul, 57, of Cloquet had pleaded guilty to “interference with privacy” and was sentenced Wednesday in State District Court in Carlton County in front of his victims, other neighbors and his own family.
The charge is a felony because the person whose privacy was violated was a minor.
B.J. Berg discovered Paul outside Berg’s home at 11:30 p.m. on June 14, 2011, wearing a black ski mask, tan shirt and jeans peering into a bedroom window. When Berg confronted him, Paul said something about trying to find his dogs. Berg told him, “Not at my daughter’s window, you’re not’’ and told him to get off his property.
Berg followed Paul to his home and called the police, who searched Paul’s home and found night vision goggles, a ski mask, clothing and a loaded handgun. Paul admitted to police that he had a firearm on his hip when he was outside Berg’s home.
That was nine months ago. Since then, Paul has completed a residential addiction treatment program at Hazelden and is undergoing follow-up treatment, counseling and attending Alcoholics Anonymous.
In his victim impact statement, Berg talked about the close-knit nature of their rural Cloquet neighborhood, and how Paul had built trust with his neighbors and their children over the last 12 years.
“This whole ordeal has been a sad lesson for our kids and family to learn … that you may not be able to trust the people you have grown to respect, and that your home may not be the safe haven you thought it was,” Berg told the court, adding that his children haven’t ventured down the road on their bikes to visit friends since then. “Some of their childhood innocence has been lost and their perception of safety in our home has been diminished.”
Paul, who was director of Behavior Services for Essentia Health in Duluth before he was arrested, made a statement apologizing to the Berg family, his neighbors and the community.
“Not a day goes by that I don’t regret my actions,” Paul told the court. “Not a day goes by that I don’t pray for [the Berg family] that God gives them relief from the pain I gave to them.”
Macaulay noted that Paul appeared to be “genuinely shamed, remorseful and interested in taking his life in a different direction,” but said he agreed with Berg that Paul’s actions that night were “bold, brazen and significantly victimized [Berg’s] family and the community as a whole.”
“I think there should be significantly greater jail sentence [than the 30 days recommended by probation officers], so I am imposing a sentence of 120 days in jail,” Macaulay told the defendant.
The sentence, however, was a staggered sentence. The judge told Paul he was to serve the first 30 days in the Carlton County Law Enforcement Center starting immediately — actually, only 16 days with credit for four days served and time for good behavior. Additional 30-day increments could be stayed provided Paul follows his 21 probation conditions.
As part of those conditions, Paul must:
Enter and successfully complete sex offender treatment.
Enter and complete individual counseling as directed and continue until no longer recommended.
Have no contact whatsoever with the Berg family nor go within 500 feet of their property.
Have no contact whatsoever with any minor under the age or 18 unless it’s approved in advance by his probation officer.
Attend AA three times a week.
Continue treatment program at Hazelden.
Attend weekly aftercare for chemical dependence.
Not possess or access online any pornographic or sexually explicit materials.
Abstain from alcohol or any mood-altering drugs unless prescribed by a physician."
Source: http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/event/article/id/225696/group/homepage/
(reported via nadaytona.org http://nadaytona.org/2012/03/14/peeping-tom-now-a-convicted-felon-mandated... )
avogadno
Fri, 03/16/2012 - 11:33
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Now I look for the boogey men
Now I look for the boogey men because I've seen them and I'm scared of them. This wasn't the case when I first started going. I started in NA. Since I am (at least was) all about peace, love, and forgiveness I was attracted to the spirit of NA meetings. I fell for that crap but after a while I saw the truth and it started to stink.
I saw that most of it was phony. They didn't love you for who you were, it seemed to be only if you agreed with them. It turned out that most people were gossipy and pushy. There was a lot of two faced people too. Maybe I was in the dark for too long before that and didn't want to see what was in the real world. I had isolated a lot and it was the first time I was clean, let alone within big groups of people in a long time. I got to see that the meetings were not what I thought they would be. I had not heard anything negative about them.
When I started to come out of my daze I noticed how "ugly" some members were. I also saw that no one called them out on their awful behavior and they held solid reputations because they "worked a good program". I wasn't able to string along significant amounts of clean time so I was told not to ask questions or make comments about it.
Men got inappropriate with women and there was no one to turn to. I was told just to stay away, AFTER I spoke up about it. Young girls were sponsored by men. One teenager got pregnant by a man in his late 40's. He was her sponsor (along with 10-20 other youngins at a time).
I could go on but writing about this but it is heartbreaking. Right now I just need to walk away for a while.
Before I do:
I'm curious why isn't there anything done to stop this type of thing? I'd like to know how he can be allowed to continue in that fashion. Why is he allowed to sponsor minors/girls and have them live in his home? To find out that this wasn't an isolated incident is just horrible. It's not just what I saw and experienced, I've heard other stories from people i met. Eventually I came online and read about other cases. There are too many similarities to show that this is a problem with the organizations. Not just AA or NA either. Both.
I eventually moved on to AA thinking it would be better. I saw variations of the same type of behavior and noticed that there wasn't any rules there either. There are differences, yes. Some good, some bad. But for the most part it's the same shit. From what I saw and experienced, NA was worse when it came to predators. Not that it wasn't in AA, just worse in NA. And, my worst sponsor was in AA. A real controlling witch. Another thing, she seemed proud that they had a word for predatory behavior. "We call that 13 stepping" she said and with a smirk and wink. I had two very nice sponsors in NA and two mediocre ones. All seemed brainwashed though and all told me that I would fail without full surrendur to God (not HP) and without working the steps. That's bullshit, no one should be able to say that. It's a complete lie.
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becket
Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:18
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" . . . I would fail without
" . . . I would fail without full surrendur to God (not HP) and without working the steps. That's bullshit, no one should be able to say that. It's a complete lie."
That is correct. Each member of any 12-step program is encouraged to seek a higher power of his or her own design. It need not be a conventional God figure.
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avogadno
Fri, 03/16/2012 - 17:25
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True both the AA and NA text
True both the AA and NA text say HP. That isn't the point.
When asked what my religious beliefs were, I told them God. They then just assumed that I also believed that God would do it for me. That's innacurate. I honestly always felt that even though God has the power, He wanted me to do it - myself. That is why I was given the gift of will. I'm not trying to put down the belief of others but I don't think God wants me to turn to Him for everything, especially when I can do it myself. Life is a lesson and I wasn't brought into it to be lazy and demanding.
And I was actually told by one that my belief was wrong. Highly inappropriate. Frick her.
The truth is that I'm not supposed to be choosing any HP that I want to. That isn't questionable for me.
Anyway, Catholics drink all of the time. My pop was a Jesuit and is now a heavy drinker.
-LOL I just find that statement humorous.
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Clara
Fri, 03/16/2012 - 12:45
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Avo, I appreciate your
Avo, I appreciate your remarks, but I did have to giggle at a bit of it. I've seen the same behavior on this forum. I wonder of it is just basic human nature. And this out of people that would tell you that they are well.... Yes, I have seen the nazi type of sponsors. And I have also sponsored girls out of rehab that needed to be told to brush their teeth, put on some makeup and FRESH clothes and meet me at the meeting. As for the guy with minor girls living with him, where are their parents? Some things really AREN'T an AA responsibility. As or men, it becomes very apparent who is a hound, and women generally will tell others that. But you have to be careful with it because some people do want to date like minded people in the fellowship, and sometimes that information isn't welcome andthen IS considered gossip.
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avogadno
Fri, 03/16/2012 - 17:37
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I'm sorry Clara but a
I'm sorry Clara but a sponsors duty is to share their experience and guide them through the steps. Not instruct them to brush their teeth and get out of bed on time. Ya know? That's going too far. I mean, it's nice of you to want to be helpful but the next thing you know sponsors are telling 'em exactly what clothes to wear and what to eat, etc. It can get controlling and should stop. It seems that their problems were more then drinking. Lol, why would you tell them to put makeup on?
Not all sponsors behave appropriately. It's a sad situation but the truth. I believe that you were kind and helpful and the girls were probably lucky to have you. Try and look outside the box though, it's not always like that.
About the young gal's parents. Beforehand, who knows? But when she got pregnant she ended back with them because she needed help. I haven't spoken with her since just after the baby was born. I heard that she eventually adopted him out.
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Persephone In Exile
Fri, 03/16/2012 - 17:07
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One thing I would like to do
One thing I would like to do is to at least have some warnings or at least no MORE recommendations to certain meetings, to be honest. The main rehab and the shorter term/IOP ones locally all provide lists from AA and NA of meetings and all push 90 in 90, etc. People are told that if one group doesn't work to find another one, keep looking for one that works for you, they are told all of that. But some of these groups are just toxic! I see no reason why any professionals in substance abuse should be endorsing them all across the board. Well, really, they should be warning people as well, we here know that, but some groups are just too "sick" (to use the term some NAs use regarding them) to still be endorsed.
Perhaps it's different with AA, but I find few people who show up at NA w/o some form of professional treatment for their problems, if only a brief stay for detox.
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
avogadno
Fri, 03/16/2012 - 17:43
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Yeah Perse, I hear ya. More
Yeah Perse, I hear ya. More structure and without leaving it all up to the recoverying people. I'd of thought that they would want to keep tabs on meetings and the members.
It's like going to the zoo and finding all of the animals are mixed up.
-Where are the monkeys?
-Last I saw they were in the bird house hanging from the light fixtures.
-OH OK thanks, I'll check it out.
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causeandeffect
Fri, 03/16/2012 - 17:57
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Avo, the behaviors remind me
Avo, the behaviors remind me of an incestuous or abusive family that hides the truth and will punish anyone who speaks out. Just pretend nothing is wrong and your a member of the family. If you don't you'll be disowned.
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Clara
Thu, 03/15/2012 - 16:29
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Cause, when are you going to
Cause, when are you going to reprint whatever it was where you concluded I referred to addicts as filthy?
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causeandeffect
Thu, 03/15/2012 - 16:34
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That was up again earlier
That was up again earlier today when you said something on the order of meetings being a "dumping grounds" for anybody or anything. I mean they are human, you know.
Now, when are you going to tell us what are these options kids will be offered in an AA meeting?
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Clara
Thu, 03/15/2012 - 17:28
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so what if I tire of Courts
So what if I tire of Courts treating AA as a "one size fits all" It isn't and then people wonder why it iddn't work for them. Even people on this board when to AA when their problems were not alcohol, but then blamed the program.
The post where I referred to addicts as filthy please. You won't mind if I don't respond to you until then.
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JR Harris
Thu, 03/15/2012 - 17:31
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What if Richard Allen Paul asked to be your Sponsor?
What if Richard Allen Paul became the sponsor of a young sweet female 21 year old because you told her it is OK and even great to have a male Sponsors?
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causeandeffect
Thu, 03/15/2012 - 17:38
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Well, here's just one of your
Well, here's just one of your nasty remark about addicts. I've never been a drug addict, but I find comments like these offensive.
http://www.orange-papers.org/forum/comment/21387#comment-21387
Now about the options?
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Clara
Fri, 03/16/2012 - 05:00
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Cause, you said that I
Cause, you said that I referred to them as filthy. Find where and bring it to me. There is nothing wrong with feeling that AA is for alcoholics. Go to Overeaters Anonymous and start talking about heroin and see what they say to you.
I've posting information about disability that you demanded, which you also just dropped when you realized you'd been wrong. Otherwise, have a good day.
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Ironic
Fri, 03/16/2012 - 10:21
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Clara, I think you're confused
Because the courts don't mandate a "one size fits all" treatment. That would be AA and NA, with their "all addicts are the same" theory.
Clara
Fri, 03/16/2012 - 10:26
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Perhaps I am because AA is
Perhaps I am because AA is far from an "all addicts are the same" theory.
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Persephone In Exile
Fri, 03/16/2012 - 17:57
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Not to bring up rehab again,
Not to bring up rehab again, but that's the last place I saw people mixed together for both drug and alcohol problems. And the "who is worse" sort of discussion was a constant (and tedious) topic of "smoke break" conversation.
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
Clara
Fri, 03/16/2012 - 19:22
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It has nothing to do with who
It has nothing to do with who is worse. Read the preamble of AA and tell me if you see drugs in it. It is up to you to decide if you are an alcoholic and if you are a member of AA. You are if you say you are. If your husband was leaving and taking the kids, perhaps he felt you were and would use that against you. You were in rehab for a reason. What did you think you were there for? Did you indentify with being an alcoholic or an addict?
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avogadno
Fri, 03/16/2012 - 17:46
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In rehab I was told that my
In rehab I was told that my problem was also alcohol and needed AA. I was always questioning that but only after they put it in my head. In AA I was told that I can only decide if I'm an alcoholic. That's what my sponsored told me. But her next comment was: "If your husband is going to leave you and take the kids, you must be an alcoholic". I shit you not.
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Persephone In Exile
Fri, 03/16/2012 - 17:49
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Part of me "going to AA",
Part of me "going to AA", though, Clara was that I went to a rehab that was run on the AA model. Everything was AA, there weren't even enough basic texts (the NA book) to go around. Many of our reading assignments (and the group discussions) were out of the Big Book. It was a bit hard to avoid.
I don't know if anyone else had that experience with treatment, as it does vary greatly, but for me AA was completely unavoidable. And shocking, I've mentioned this before, but the Lord's Prayer is not said in NA, so going somewhere for "medical treatment" and having not a doctor to be found while being told to hold hands with people and pray, well, it was a bit of a shock.
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Clara
Fri, 03/16/2012 - 19:24
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I can understand that, Perse.
I can understand that, Perse. Were you part of the decisionmaking process?
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causeandeffect
Thu, 03/15/2012 - 17:15
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Still waiting for options!
What are these options kids will be informed of?
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btnben
Thu, 03/15/2012 - 17:17
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That's nothing C&E
I'm still waiting for my "princibles"...lol
God damn it, get me a whiskey
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AntiDenial
Thu, 03/15/2012 - 12:13
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10 % under 30, why don't they
10 % under 30, why don't they give the stats of minors? I believe it is under 2 %. Would you really want your 14 year old hanging out with a 30 year old felon? Damn-who wrote this stuff! What were they smoking?!
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Clara
Thu, 03/15/2012 - 15:34
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I don't know where these
I don't know where these people went to meetings, but I can say that nowhere in the Young People and AA pamphlet have I yet to run into any sex or allusions to it. The least sobriety I have found is three years and the most is decades. I don't see how it says what you believe it does.
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AntiDenial
Thu, 03/15/2012 - 17:59
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We already know that it is AA
We already know that it is AA's practice to take a sexual inventory, if minors are in the group they would ask them just like NA does. Where do you think NA got it from?
Anyway, apart from the sexual inventory of minors, the pamphlet shows that AA is actively recruiting minors and trying to calm any fears they might have of going to AA. I find this reprehensible, when they know sexual offenders and violent felons are going to the meetings that they are inviting. Not to mention the famous '13 stepping' that goes on in AA.
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Clara
Thu, 03/15/2012 - 17:35
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Please do, Anti. I also
Please do, Anti. I also cannot speak for NA since I am not familiar with their program. Sex, drugs and... isn't a part of our fellowship, and they are different. Just as AA means alcohol, not apples. I can't help someone with an addiction to apples. Even though every 12 step says it copies AA, they make their own changes and have their own program. People like to pick out something and think they've got it or that you can find an answer in a page when it could certainly take more than that. That's like reading a paragraph of the Bible and not knowing anything else about it, but thinking you have the gist of what something meant. Sometimes there is even a historical perspective to it.
But anything you can do to keep kids out, as well as people mandated for things that have nothing to do with alcohol is fine with me, Anti. And I will continue to work with that group on making sure that they are contributing what they should in order to be lawfully using that space.
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AntiDenial
Thu, 03/15/2012 - 17:58
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Clara, BUT you know that AA
Clara, BUT you know that AA asks for sexual inventories as well. I think you are splitting hairs.
As far as Holly Hill Fl, like I explained AA not paying their way is one of many problems that the community has with meetings in the parks, does that not matter to you that the children are exposed to the meetings?
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AntiDenial
Thu, 03/15/2012 - 19:19
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These kids are being exposed
These kids are being exposed to the stories and criminal element of AA members in the park. In fact we had a AA member rape a 9 year old about a month ago in Daytona Beach. Oh yes, he was court mandated felon.
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Clara
Fri, 03/16/2012 - 05:04
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I am not splitting hairs. I
I am not splitting hairs. I've given you everything you need to know about that AA provides on the subject. In NA, it could be different given that sexual accomodation is often a currency for drugs even among adults. I am glad that Ironic brought up the Blue Book because we have it, and I have never had a reason to read it. My husband is glad that Ironic has motivated me to do so. He was also glad that YOUR questions prompted me to get to the Central Office to get the information that we cannot print or cut and paste from the site due to copyright.
I'm just not finding what you are trying to promote.
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Clara
Thu, 03/15/2012 - 12:13
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Anti, I just called the
Anti, I just called the Central Office and those are formatted in such a way that cut and paste, as well as printing aren't available. I've decided to take a break from nursing to go down there and buy the material. What I've noticed thus far is that these stories are written by people with many years in the fellowship, some as much as 17 years. As for the percentages, I sure wish I had discovered AA when I was part of the 10% verses the 90.
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AntiDenial
Thu, 03/15/2012 - 12:21
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It would of been helpful to
It would of been helpful to cut and paste, to make points. Yes, but the 10% includes 18-30 years olds,
which probably makes up the majority of the 10 % with minors just being a sliver. You get the impression that they see minors has a huge untapped source of new "prospects" as JR calls them. They are stepping up trying to get more minors in the fold without them doing anything responsible like alateen does.
http://www.al-anon.org/members/pdf/guidelines/G24.pdf
As many of us know Alateen is an offshoot of of Alanon. Alanon was created by Bill W,'s wife Loiuse.
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btnben
Thu, 03/15/2012 - 12:23
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Alatot too
Believe it or not, they really exist. And they are pissed at being at the bottom of the pile as it were, so just wait - Alafetus is just around the corner...lol
God damn it, get me a whiskey
Bill W, Deathbed
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AntiDenial
Thu, 03/15/2012 - 12:25
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Alateen Forms
More Alateen forms.
http://www.mt.al-anon.alateen.org/alateen_forms/G34-Travel_Permission_fo...
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Clara
Thu, 03/15/2012 - 14:26
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Her name was Lois. I think
Her name was Lois. I think Alateen was started sometime in the 70s.
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JR Harris
Thu, 03/15/2012 - 14:48
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Alateen teaches 12 Step - but they have background checks
"Alateen is part of Al‑Anon Family Groups. Alateen is a fellowship of young Al-Anon members, usually teenagers, whose lives have been affected by someone else's drinking. Alateen groups are sponsored by Al-Anon members who help the group to stay on track. Alateens come together to:
share experiences, strength, and hope with each other
discuss difficulties
learn effective ways to cope with problems
encourage one another
help each other understand the principles of the Al-Anon program
learn how to use the Twelve Steps and Alateen's Twelve Traditions
Source: http://www.al-anon.org/for-alateen/how-will-alateen-help-me
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JR Harris
Thu, 03/15/2012 - 14:52
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There is no seperate Alcoholics Anonyous for teens
It does not exist, they have to go into the rooms with the violent felons and rapists recruited and mandated from the court system with the help of "Corrections Committees", can't you understand that?
Now I will leave you alone. I hope you realize next time not to try and pry into someones background to find something to use against them. It isn't fun is it?
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Clara
Thu, 03/15/2012 - 12:13
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Anti, I just called the
Anti, I just called the Central Office and those are formatted in such a way that cut and paste, as well as printing aren't available. I've decided to take a break from nursing to go down there and buy the material. What I've noticed thus far is that these stories are written by people with many years in the fellowship, some as much as 17 years. As for the percentages, I sure wish I had discovered AA when I was part of the 10% verses the 90.
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JR Harris
Thu, 03/15/2012 - 12:22
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The plot thickens........
What will she come up with next? Will she bring in reinforcements? Will she call Clancy for divine guidance?
But the big question is, WILL SHE QUIT TRYING TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT? This thread is about Richard Allen Paul and the danger that he posses to potential Sponsors and Sponcees, especially if he tries to hook up with young female ones.
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JR Harris
Thu, 03/15/2012 - 11:15
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And just think Richard Allen Paul could be part of ICYPAA
Luckily, he's still in jail and in a different area. It should take him about 2-3 years to get high enough up in the cult to bid on who gets to manipulate the children. Luckily the ACYPAA XL in Ontario, CA and Soberstock in Odessa, FL is this weekend so we know he won't be showing up there. Of course we don't know who the other perverts are that might show up.
http://www.acypaa2012.org
http://www.soberstock.com/
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AntiDenial
Thu, 03/15/2012 - 11:23
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Alcoholics Anonymous Approved
Alcoholics Anonymous approved literature " Too Young?" This is a cartoon based one trying to encourage minors as well as their other young people AA pamphlet.
http://www.aa.org/pdf/products/p-37_tooyoung.pdf
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JR Harris
Thu, 03/15/2012 - 11:18
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Well it's not encouraging cigarettes ... YET
Once they enter the rooms of Alcoholics Anonymous the oldtimers will get them hooked on those.
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AntiDenial
Thu, 03/15/2012 - 11:21
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I bet AA adults would say it
I bet AA adults would say it is an outside issue about minors smoking at meetings, which is illegal.
That is contributing to the delinquency of a minor.
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JR Harris
Thu, 03/15/2012 - 11:28
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I'm just worried about them doing a sexual inventory on minors
now that we know it is documented and approved by the head AA offices at the Interchurch Center on 475 Riverside Drive in New York.
Has anyone looked to see if Stepping Stones in Bedford Hills invites minors to have their rituals at the compound? I know that Al-Anon does stuff there, but I'm not sure about Alateen.
"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.
AntiDenial
Thu, 03/15/2012 - 11:55
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I bet 95% of the people out
I bet 95% of the people out there have no clue that when they send minors to AA and NA, that a sexual inventory is recommended to follow the program correctly. This is AA/NA assuming these minors even have had a sex life! It troubles me that it is just a given every minor and young person is sexually active.
On top of that, to assume that there are dark issues surrounding their sex life, IF they have one.
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Clara
Thu, 03/15/2012 - 11:38
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This is conjecture on your
This is conjecture on your part. Illegal is illegal.
Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.
AntiDenial
Thu, 03/15/2012 - 11:48
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Clara-what exactly are you
Clara-what exactly are you referring to? Minors smoking at meetings? What does Illegal is illegal mean?
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JR Harris
Thu, 03/15/2012 - 12:02
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Typical Prospect Hunter Responce - look to "your part"
And I suppose that when Richard Allen Paul becomes "established" in the cult and gets caught in a ski mask with a gun outside a young newcomers window in the middle of the summer, you are going to want the victim look at their part? What are you going to want her to say,"I was wrong because I had a crack in my shades and i was undressing to go to bed" or something like that?
"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.
becket
Thu, 03/15/2012 - 16:06
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Is the minor act of smoking
Is the minor act of smoking illegal, or is his purchase or possession of cigarettes illegal?
“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian
becket
Fri, 03/16/2012 - 01:56
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I'll answer it myself:
I'll answer it myself:
"States failing to protect kids:
"According to the report, more than 600,000 middle school and 3 million high school students smoke. Much of this is because states have not invested enough in comprehensive prevention and cessation programs that were in place between 1997 and 2003.
"In January, the Lung Association released its annual State of Tobacco Control report which found that virtually every state is failing to fund tobacco control programs at levels recommended by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)." This would indicate to me that the use of tobacco by anyone any age is legal, though frowned upon.
(source: The Lung Association's annual State of Tobacco Control report, released 1/12)
“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian
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