I have good news.
Since the only requirement alcoholics anonymous is a desire to stop drinking (and the only requirement for narcotics anonymous is a desire to stop using drugs), I've decided to do H&I service work and speak at these institutions to share my experience strength and hope as a recovering person with substantial clean time.
My first speak will be next Thursday evening :=)
There is a women's sober living home in my area and they host daily meetings AA meetings. I've been attending the open meeting for 4 weeks now, mainly to support a friend. Although she has "problems" with the program she does find some of the support helpful. She knows exactly how I feel it and it doesn't pose a problem for either in our friendship. Although I've shared only once at this meeting, I realized that I had sufficient clean time to give a lead at a nearby hospital that has a rehab program. I explained my willingness to the GSR and this got the ball rolling.
I thought that this would be the perfect time to respectively share my feelings about the 12 step model of recovery and explain in detail what works for me. My focus will not be what doesn't work (besides a brief explanation about how I wasted 5 years in XA) but other options that I have found useful.
I'm a bit nervous because I thought I'd be "lying", and I don't want to fuck with people's heads. We all know that AA/NA doesn't give a crap but I didn't find that a good reason to do it myself. I've discussed this with my sober buddy and my husband and found that as long as I speak the truth - "all will be well".
I'm just going to speak my mind and hope that if there are people listening that have the same issues with the program as I do then my speak will be helpful to them.
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Trisha K.
Sat, 03/10/2012 - 17:22
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Will not go there ben!
Post deleted because I realized this is stupid what I am doing.
“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine
btnben
Thu, 03/08/2012 - 17:10
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Danny - do you want me.....
.... to teach you how to spell "repulsive"?
God damn it, get me a whiskey
Bill W, Deathbed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc
btnben
Thu, 03/08/2012 - 17:15
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Fornits...lol
I got the link from you, idiot. In one of your former incarnations. Danny - I've been a programmer for the last 30 years so don't be so stupid as to try and bullshit me about IP addresses. I tell you what though. There is some software out there that allows you to backtrack from proxy servers. I'll find it and see if it would be useful to Orange to verify people...lol.
I've never registered or posted on fornits, so my IP address won't be anywhere on the site. You say you know it? Give just the first 6 numbers, gobshite. Don't want people to think you're a lying idiot do you Danny or is it Tranny when you're Trisha...lol
God damn it, get me a whiskey
Bill W, Deathbed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc
Clara
Thu, 03/08/2012 - 17:51
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That's what I don't get, Ben.
That's what I don't get, Ben. I have told people if Orange checked our IP address, you'd know for certain that I was just who I say I am and not any of the other personalities attributed to me. Thank you for verifying that it is a fairly simple thing to do.
Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.
Trisha K.
Thu, 03/08/2012 - 19:06
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But he won't.
I have said the same thing it is easy.
“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine
Trisha K.
Sat, 03/10/2012 - 17:23
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Don't care ben..
Don't care!!!
“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine
btnben
Thu, 03/08/2012 - 18:56
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Programmer - 2 ms Danny...lol
I've asked before - 1st 6 numbers you gobshite...,lol. You don't even know my name Danny Bennison...lol
Why would I want to find you? All I want is to see the back of you...lol I have no wish to know anything about you...lol
God damn it, get me a whiskey
Bill W, Deathbed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc
Trisha K.
Sat, 03/10/2012 - 17:23
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Who cares?
ben you are a silly man.
“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine
Calinda (not verified)
Thu, 03/08/2012 - 19:22
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You really are one sick fat bastard.
This has got to be one of the worst sites I have ever visited for gender equality. Where are the women here and why are you so silent.
Clara darling you really are on your own. Because unlike other sites where the admin or at least the women would help you. No, here the women help the sick fat bastard abuse you.
There are some women groups that are going to have a field day with this.
I have read enough. I know they think you are this other woman. So what, that is no excuse for his behavior. This sick fat bastard enjoys verbally abusing you. It is a power thing with him.
btnben
Thu, 03/08/2012 - 19:23
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Another Danny Orange...lol
They're adding up...lol
God damn it, get me a whiskey
Bill W, Deathbed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc
AntiDenial
Thu, 03/08/2012 - 19:52
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Why is this behavior by the
Why is this behavior by the trolls being tolerated? Someone is asleep at the switch...........
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btnben
Thu, 03/08/2012 - 19:53
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I know AD
I got an e-mail from someone the other day about us all getting together and contacting Orange. I think the hour is nigh...lol
God damn it, get me a whiskey
Bill W, Deathbed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc
AntiDenial
Thu, 03/08/2012 - 19:56
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For what it's worth I sent
For what it's worth I sent him one. But you could help and not feed them so much. Now they are fat and happy and on a Troll Roll.
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causeandeffect
Thu, 03/08/2012 - 20:14
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I've been collecting posts
I've been collecting posts and am currently working on sending it off. They show all the dannyisms. But it would help tremendously is we didn't let him know what his dannyisms are, BEN!
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btnben
Fri, 03/09/2012 - 02:32
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That's what's so funny C&E...lol
You can tell himm 100 times and he still does it...lol Too "stoopid" to change...lol
God damn it, get me a whiskey
Bill W, Deathbed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc
Clara
Fri, 03/09/2012 - 06:47
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I sent him one, too, Last
I sent him one, too, Last week. There is no difference between the behavior your behavior and that you attribute to "trolls." I don't know why people here can't just agree to disagree. Instead the focus is on personalities verses principals, and there is a reason that in involved in AA stepwork and traditions. You care more about WHO you think a person is than what they have to say.
Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.
btnben
Fri, 03/09/2012 - 06:52
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Let's try AGAIN - Just for fun...lol
What principles?...lol
God damn it, get me a whiskey
Bill W, Deathbed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc
JR Harris
Thu, 03/08/2012 - 20:21
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Doorknob, forgive them for they no not what they do!
The trolls are making this site noticed. Shhhh..... They don't realize what is going on, but every time they post they are sending identifying information to Google Analytics via what is called "clear text." Shhhh....
"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.
Clara
Fri, 03/09/2012 - 06:19
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Anti, opinions are welcomed,
Anti, opinions are welcomed, attacks are not. He's already been here to say so.
Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.
becket
Thu, 03/08/2012 - 19:44
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I'm a woman, Calinda. I have
I'm a woman, Calinda. I have defended Clara on several occasions. I don't think Orange would know how to defend a woman.
“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian
btnben
Thu, 03/08/2012 - 19:46
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Careful M - Calinda is Danny
Just so you know...lol
God damn it, get me a whiskey
Bill W, Deathbed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc
Calinda (not verified)
Sat, 03/10/2012 - 13:10
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I understand becket. I am sorry if some of the flax hit you.
Yes you have supported Clara. Now that I know you are a woman I will watch out for you too.
I completely understand that most of the women here on this site can handle their own affairs, But it is nice to know too, that people have your back.
Right on becket and Clara.
btnben
Sat, 03/10/2012 - 13:13
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Flax - ffs Danny
Flax - you frigging idiot...lol
Isn't that what Woody Harrelson makes his trousers out of?...lol
God damn it, get me a whiskey
Bill W, Deathbed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc
causeandeffect
Thu, 03/08/2012 - 20:50
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danny, you're damsel in
danny, you're damsel in distress act isn't going to work. We can spot you in a nanosecond. Nano nano. You really never are going to get away with this for long.
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avogadno
Thu, 03/08/2012 - 21:07
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Calinda,
Calinda, You have a hell of a mouth on for you for a woman.
How long have you been a member here? Were you invited? Just curious.
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Calinda (not verified)
Sat, 03/10/2012 - 13:24
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Girl, you really want to go there.
I am not here to be a part of your clique. Yes you are damn right I was invited here, I put it in the email I sent to you. Don't pussyfoot around my dear put it out there.
I came here to support Clara, If you have a problem with that to bad.
I have my opinions concerning AA and not all of them are in line with the AA members here. I say,"SO WHAT". I am here as a woman defending another womans right to be treated with respect.
So for all the other weak kneed women on this site who seemed to have lost their self respect and freely handed it over to JR, ben and whoever else asked for it. Grow up and realize you grew out of your training bras years ago. You are women now, act like it.
Clara and becket take care, I am sure you didn't need my big mouth, but hey, I had the time.
Calinda
Persephone In Exile
Thu, 03/08/2012 - 21:16
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WTH?!? Women's groups?
WTH?!? Women's groups?
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
becket
Sat, 03/10/2012 - 13:40
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She mentioned nothing about
She mentioned nothing about "women's groups". Where do you see that?
“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian
Clara
Fri, 03/09/2012 - 06:43
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I'm not intimidated. I look
I'm not intimidated. I look at them as the sick people they are and pray for them. They think every person that comes on the board is one particular woman when it could just be a shared opinion. Some people simply are not evolved. Ben himself said a thug is a thug when I dared suggest that in AA, you can change and life can change for you. I think you can be a FORMER thug, a FORMER bully... but not without change. After all, if you were a drunk horsethief but you don't change your behavior, all you are in a sober horsethief. All that people have shown is that they are just not physically drunk people, but they are spiritually sick. If you weren't, you wouldn't treat people that way, and I choose to treat them as such.
Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.
becket
Sat, 03/10/2012 - 13:42
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If "a thug is a thug", then
If "a thug is a thug", then why is a drunk not still a drunk? Seems btnben is saying the thug life is a real phenomenon; why, then, is the alcoholic not still an alcoholic once drinking ceases?
“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian
btnben
Sat, 03/10/2012 - 13:45
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Sorry if it's a bit complicated Marietta.
I'll try and make it a bit simpler for you. What I meant was, whatever you were like before the drink took hold, is what you'll be like when you stop. Just like the idea if you start drinking again you will pick up where you left off. Understand now, or do you need pictures?
God damn it, get me a whiskey
Bill W, Deathbed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc
Trisha K.
Sat, 03/10/2012 - 17:06
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Who cares?
Here we go!
“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine
Trisha K.
Sat, 03/10/2012 - 17:07
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ben has been known to lie.
I would be careful here where it concerns ben.
“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine
btnben
Thu, 03/08/2012 - 19:00
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Shut up Danny
You're entertainment value has passed. Bye bye...lol
God damn it, get me a whiskey
Bill W, Deathbed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc
Trisha K.
Thu, 03/08/2012 - 19:05
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I hope my entertainment value has ended and you leave us alone.
Thank you!!
“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine
btnben
Thu, 03/08/2012 - 19:07
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He's so easy...lol
There you go Orange - it's Danny...lol
God damn it, get me a whiskey
Bill W, Deathbed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc
Trisha K.
Sat, 03/10/2012 - 17:08
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Duh!!!
You call me Danny!!!
“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine
AntiDenial
Thu, 03/08/2012 - 18:28
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At this rate Trisha-I think
At this rate Trisha-I think you are aiming to get banned again.
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Trisha K.
Thu, 03/08/2012 - 18:52
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You would think that.
Anytime a women sticks up for herself around here you want her banned. Why don't you get off your lazy butt and defend Clara.
“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine
Clara
Thu, 03/08/2012 - 17:27
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I think it is funny as hell.
I think it is funny as hell. A downlow AA member... Hey, if she wants to do service work, that is all well and good, but why not for a program that she supports? Why are these supporters of SMART and other alternatives not stepping up facililating?
Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.
btnben
Thu, 03/08/2012 - 17:30
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Stop being so angry....
.... and rude. Go and lie down, phone your sponsor, look for your part......oh I can't be bothered again...lol
God damn it, get me a whiskey
Bill W, Deathbed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc
Clara
Thu, 03/08/2012 - 18:00
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Who is angry? This saved my
Who is angry? This saved my day. I am behind her message but not the method. Funny you would suggest calling my sponsor. I did and he thought the same as I did. There are some details being withheld. Either that or the GSR really has no idea just how much Avo hates AA and what it did to her life. And the only part of this I have had is attempting to show her a constructive way to achieve her goal of informing these women of options. And even my sponsor questioned why she would choose AA as her route.
Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.
btnben
Thu, 03/08/2012 - 18:02
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Did you tell you're sponsor.....
.... that you were making wild, unfounded assumptions and then getting angry about them? Not being honest if you didn't...lol
God damn it, get me a whiskey
Bill W, Deathbed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc
avogadno
Thu, 03/08/2012 - 21:12
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Good point Gigi. I know that
Good point Gigi. I know that in a closed meetings with the Gurus that talking about how "I" did it doesn't go over well at all. They only want to hear how AA and/or a HP saved you. I'm very curious as to how people that haven't been brainwashed or scared into thinking it's necessary will respond.
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causeandeffect
Thu, 03/08/2012 - 14:44
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Avo, I think it's fantastic
Avo, I think it's fantastic you're doing that! Probably most of them have already been through the AA spin-dry and KNOW that it doesn't work for them personally, but are unaware that AA has no efficacy-period. They really need to know there are viable alternatives to choose from. And just look at the AA faithful trying to stop you from telling the truth. Absolutely disgraceful.
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btnben
Thu, 03/08/2012 - 14:51
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Courage
Agreed C&E. Also Avo, I applaud your courage. I'm just wondering how many people there know it's a pile of horseshit but haven't the courage to say anything. Steppers can be intimidating with their constant slogans. One person standing up and telling the truth may be the catalyst for many others to see the cult for what it is.
God damn it, get me a whiskey
Bill W, Deathbed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc
Clara
Thu, 03/08/2012 - 14:55
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Yes, let's hear about
Yes, let's hear about aftermath when it's over. Aren't you also the ones that say that people get shut out, shunned, the cliques ignore you if you do the wrong thing? I hope her girlfriend isn't too closely identified with her. Hiding bad motives under "good intentions..." Bill called out people like that long ago. Thank you for yet another worthy example in the Big Book.
Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.
causeandeffect
Thu, 03/08/2012 - 15:07
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You were the one who keeps
You were the one who keeps saying that AA says it's not the only way. You said it overandoverandover. So if that were really true (and it's not) then neither you nor the GSR should have any problem whatsoever with her simply saying AA didn't work for her, and telling these people what did work for her. You, my dear, have clearly exposed yourself as a hypocrite!!! You are far more concerned with pushing ineffective faith healing rather than being concerned that these people are able to actually recover through being educated that there are evidence based modalities
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Clara
Thu, 03/08/2012 - 18:07
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I agree with her message and
I agree with her message and right to say it, but not her method. I am far from a hypocrite. I wouldn't sit in AA meetings, speak at them, take on service work that might benefit another AA... all the while claiming not to be one. That is bizarre. She was provided with an option to pull it off with class. We'll see how she does. And if these women are studying the BB, they already know the AA position that there are alternatives. They might have even tried some of them.
Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.
AntiDenial
Thu, 03/08/2012 - 18:21
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MOST AA people do not know of
MOST AA people do not know of options. AA does not disclose them.
That is why we are spreading the word about options to 12 step dogma.
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