The Daily Bitch 4th March 2012

Im not at troll at all, I agree the steps are bunk and the program is messed up in sooo many ways i cant even start to mention. In my own experience which is pretty big (been around the USA) is that AA meetings are not a very dangerous place to be in. I guess i will say that im sorry i feel this way but I do. I am an honest person and i refuse to make shit up to further my agenda. I was against soo many aspects of AA before most of you. Im gonna stay true to my experience even if It causes riffs. And if you knew me you would know I dont like to make waves. seriously Remember Mr AA? Super intelligent and interesting? Mark at stinkin thinkin labeled him a sociopath discredited him then banned him after a week! The funny thing was he was a lot like anybody else who saw at least a couple of good aspects about AA, even Orange says it can be a good social outlet or something like that. Dont quote me I cant find it but I read it!

He got caught, just like Danny did many times...................

One last thing, when i jumped into this forum with my short story I DID know Marreitta was gonna go against me and i lashed out with what I had perceived of her from reading threads for a couple of weeks. I actually wanted to embarrass her. I did not intend to stay (kinda like Gunthar) but i ended up posting again a week or so later. And stayed. I dont think it matters to anybody but truly I dont have an ax to grind with anybody. I am granite in my experience. And if it werent for spellcheck Id be screwed lol.

Jr says;If I remember right, Mr. AA tried the alternate username trick
JJ says; Im sure he did if you say so but was that because he was discredited from the very first post ? and by whom Mark? Im by far no genius but it doesnt take one to see that Mark wanrted nothing to do with the likes of someone as intelligent as Mr AA? It could be me, but I thought the way Mark discredited him and 86ed him, he must have been a threat to Marks GIANT ego. He wasnt even against people who were against AA. He was interesting. I know this because we were on the same website for and against AA for a couple of years before ST was even a thought to Mark and his girlfriend. Before you had an ax to grind with AA really Jr.

I supported Mark decision to ban Mr AA. Mark and his partner dedicated a great amount of time to www.stinkin-thinkin.com to the benefit of many. They got the word out and encouraged others to get the word out. Your point that you do not see AA is dangerous falls on deaf ears for those that have been raped and had their throat slit at the hands of AA members. Of course those that have been murdered by fellow AA members cannot speak here to give their opinion. I have a hunch they would agree that AA is dangerous. It is only getting worse as more states are emptying out the jails and putting people on probation. This is increasing the amount of felons at meetings, that are harming the vulnerable people who attend.

Ok Anti Denial how many people in AA have been raped? And how many have had their throats slit? and how many AA mtgs are there? I can show you that in public schools in the great USA there have been thousands of shooting deaths and in McDonalds far more murders. Are you afraid to put you kids in school? how about lunch at Mikky Dees? You see how silly it sounds? It wouldnt sound so ridiculous if this was an Anti Mc Donalds site or if it was an anti public school site now would it? There are far more AA meetings in the US then there are McDoanalds but there are far more murders at McDonalds. Give me some stats and we can debate which 1 is more dangerous. OK? We cant even argue public schools because hands down they a far more dangerous place than AA. Im talking physically dangerous if you want to talk mentally dangerous than we will have a good debate I think!

Ok Anti Denial how many people in AA have been raped? And how many have had their throats slit? and how many AA mtgs are there? I can show you that in public schools in the great USA there have been thousands of shooting deaths and in McDonalds far more murders. Are you afraid to put you kids in school? how about lunch at Mikky Dees? You see how silly it sounds? It wouldnt sound so ridiculous if this was an Anti Mc Donalds site or if it was an anti public school site now would it? There are far more AA meetings in the US then there are McDoanalds but there are far more murders at McDonalds. Give me some stats and we can debate which 1 is more dangerous. OK? We cant even argue public schools because hands down they a far more dangerous place than AA. Im talking physically dangerous if you want to talk mentally dangerous than we will have a good debate I think!

And as far as the baldwin park murder, does anybody here know what Baldwin Park is like? I do. I grew up in Whittier Cal. in the 70s. My dad was a wine salesman. My second job next to tasteefreeze was at bagnbottle liquor store in Baldwin park. The place constantly got robbed with force (I was never there) that was in the 70s. The place is as gang ridden as east Los Angeles, You have no business going there. It is probably 70-80% hispanic (just a guess) and it is not a safe place to be after dark? OK? Jr can google this 1, I know from experience.

There is more crime in AA/NA/CA than Mcdonalds. Last I checked the courts were not mandating killers to McDonald's. More people get sexually assaulted in 12 step meetings than McDonald's.

The problem with your argument is that you want to act like there are zero consequences for what the courts are doing. It is a hollow argument. If you go to a prison, you are going to have security guards and other safety measures. Why? Because you have dangerous criminals within the walls of the prison.
You cannot have the action of mandating and not have a negative consequence the way AA is set up.
AA does not warn anyone. They encourage newbies to give out their phone numbers and to trust others. If there is a problem there is nothing a member can do about it, because AAWS refuses to do anything to protect the vulnerable.

AA also discourages members from reporting crime. They want a good image. AA is the master of covering the sins of their organization. They know of children being raped by AA members. They voted to do NOTHING. They are pathetic.

Im sure there have have been child molesters in Aa who have raped kids, but that happens every where. Ill give the catholic church a look on this one. Would you be afraid to send your child with a close friend who attends mass with their kids on sunday AD? See my point? My point is AD is that their are sick fucks everywhere.

You are respected here, at least by me :=) And I understand your position very well.

It doesn't do any good to compare AA to anything else, imo. But since you asked Anti D about public schools, I thought I'd throw in my pov. I grew up in Chicago and I thank my HP that I didn't go to one. Very very dangerous. As much as they try keep them safe it doesn't seem to help. If the state were running both the schools and AA I'd vote for them to get into and conentrate on where the worst is happening. In the shools.

AA is different though, it's a private organization and much smaller. A microscopic entity in comparison. AA also changes from area to area just like schools do. Some are worse than others (because of demographics mostly). Another difference between the two is that the state is recognizing the dangers and actually doing something about it. We all know they are unsafe. People are warned, it's all over every newspaper. They are obviously not doing enough, but we're not comparing and trying to take attention away from schools.

You are right, there are plenty of safer AA meetings that i've been to and I never saw a shooting or even a fist fight. Arguments, yes. Threats, yes. I also see how they can get out of control and I am appalled at the stories I do hear.

AA is a private organization that is in a position to make it safer against violence, 13 stepping, and controlling situations but they do NOTHING. Zip! It's ignored. Because of no safety guidelines some meetings do get out of control or violent and it just doesn't have to be that way. What it comes down to who is "running" the show. What guru points himself as head honcho? How many felons attend particular meetings? What kind of neighborhood is it in?

When you bring into light the sexual abuse, contol aspect, violence, and the "bad" advice etc., and tie it all together it becomes easier to realize that changes in the meeting structure and the overall dynamics can improve all of those problems.

Imagine being the woman that was raped when it could have been avoided. Instead of pushing it under the carpet, AA should not ignore the claims and do something to avoid them. Start implementing rules and changes. We're not asking for gates and metal detectors here. Safety pamphlets, a safety coordinator and some recognition to start. Maybe saying hey "THIS won't be tolerated". Shit, they can put their heads together and find a reasonable way to make this happen. 1 murder is too many if it can be avoided.

I feel quite positive that some murders, rape, and abuse can be avoided by some minimal effort in NY. Let's shoot for none.

It's the ignoring it that pisses me off the most. Enflames me actually. I did not see the violence, but the control and abuse I've seen first hand. I also saw the cover-ups and witnessed AA Org. ignoring it. They don't care AT ALL. It hurts.