The Daily Bitch 4th March 2012

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Submitted by btnben on Sat, 03/03/2012 - 16:20

This is just a personal opinion, but I am getting severely pissed off with the trolls on here. They are going to kill off this forum if something isn't done about them. Trolls, like any other cancer, are best disposed of quickly.

This forum was great fun and was really starting to grow until the trolls arrived. Clara and Danny are currently ruining this forum. What does everyone else think?

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Clara

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 18:08

Fine with me, Penny. The vet just called and Spike at a whole can of dog food. He hasn't eaten food in three days, and I have been forcing water on him. I was being pushed to put him down. Believe me, this is an answer to a prayer.

Penny, I thanked you for your sincerity earlier. I'm going to leave this conversation because I am getting what I wanted, and just because you don't believe has nothing to do with me. I wanted to be relieved of alcoholism and I wanted my dog to improve. I've gotten positive responses to prayer on both. Thank you for the discussion.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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Pennywise

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 18:11

Hey, glad the dog is Ok! Glad you're OK, too. Don't take my debates with you too seriously ;)

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

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causeandeffect

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 13:29

Awesome Ben! I know you'll do a wonderful job. One thing that really impressed me about SMART was the people knew so much about recovery and were so happy to share all that info. They really had their finger on the pulse of all the new research. I've often wished I could start a meeting in my area, but my current work hours won't allow for it. I do have a lot of good job hunting info that I got from a SMART course. I need to dig that back out and see if I can find a job with better hours. If I could only remember where I put it...

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btnben

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 13:38

You'll be surprised what falls into your lap when it's meant to. Rome wasn't built in a day (but that's because I wasn't on the job...lol)

Addition : I've just thought of a new slogan - "It also works if you leave it alone and let it happen"...lol

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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Clara

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 16:53

One of my disliked remarks is "nothing happens in God's world by mistake." Or that there are no such things as coincidences. I think it has more to do with the person that always said them each and every share... than if it may actually be true.

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btnben

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 16:56

.... and it bothers you, stop saying it...lol

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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Clara

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 16:59

This is the only - and last - time I have ever written those.

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Clara

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 15:23

I need to go back to your share, but to state emphatically AA doesn't work overlooks the many the program has worked for. Interesting sory. So you are the Clancy at this place? Good for you.

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btnben

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 15:34

"the many"? - How many? And what is the success RATE? That is the only number with any meaning.

So AA - have to have a snide little remark in there. You know Clancy is held as a joke on here. You couldn't resist it, could you...lol

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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Clara

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 15:56

I actually got into the bit of civility that had been on offer here. And, Ben, the only number I am concerned with one. There are many disgruntled people on boards about treatment programs and rehabs. I'm just not worried about stats. I notice that SMART's paperwork doesn't offer any. Do you know what they are, beside saying that they have a high rate of success of getting people INTO recovery? That differs much from actual success. I'm interested in knowing. As I've said, I don't particularly like the meetings here in EP, so I was glad to hear of SMART and to look at the material, even though it seems I've been exposed to it via my sponsor.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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becket

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 17:10

What is the "success rate" of Rational Recovery? SMART? Just quitting on one's own? Got some numbers, btnben? I don't mean marketing numbers. I mean genuine, verifiable statistics.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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btnben

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 17:26

Normal spontaneous remission rates for alcohol abuse are 5% per annum. AA, at best, has 5% at the end of 1 year. To maintain the same as "doing nothing" AA must retain EVERYONE who makes it to 1 year. If anyone leaves after 1 year then AA's rate falls to less than the do nothing rate. Wait and I'll find a table that shows the relative success of different methods. I know it's somewhere...lol

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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Clara

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 06:22

I had stopped before for various reasons, but always managed to go back to it.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

AntiDenial

Sun, 03/04/2012 - 18:47

It is called being a dodge-aholic. She has it real bad. I think they have meetings for that.

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AntiDenial

Sun, 03/04/2012 - 18:59

Did you guys see this crazy story about a mentally ill patient going t an AA meeting, and ending up on a high speed chase? There is video links.

http://nadaytona.org/2012/02/24/mentally-ill-aa-member-charged-with-dwi-...

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causeandeffect

Sun, 03/04/2012 - 18:51

Yeah, I saw that AD. Talk about needing a meeting real bad.

Clara, prove me wrong. Please provide the quote in the big book about other ways to quit drinking.

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Clara

Sun, 03/04/2012 - 19:18

Cause, you are being obstinate and everything the BB says about the chronic alcoholic mind. Maybe you should give it a try again because what you are doing isn't working. And that, dear, is all I have to say about that.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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causeandeffect

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 08:58

Clara, you're the obstinate one. You are having trouble seeing that, I know. Perhaps you need some really good professional counseling to assist you in recognizing your projections and your passive-aggressiveness. It doesn't look good for AA. You've been doing it for 5 years and you are still having these problems. I'd recommend someone who is not a 12 step 2 hatter.

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Clara

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 09:05

Cause, we just differ. What I see are angry, bitter people whose experiences in AA were not good. If mine were like that, I would have left, too. But they haven't been. You sound like the bitter ex-wife who is running to the new girlfriend to tell her "how he really is" when he could be completely different with her, so therefore the gf doesn't believe it.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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btnben

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 11:06

When all else fails...lol.

Is it possible "Last Word" that sane normal non-angry people start to show signs of frustration when they come into contact with the brainwashed? Is it just a little bit possible?

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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Clara

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 10:59

How could anyone have anything to do with your emotions or how you respond? You literally shreik on this board simply because someone's opinion differs from yours. I find it funny that someone would ask someone to prove a negative when they themselves can't prove someone did anything at all. All in response to the simple observation in SMART's own literature that they take government funds. There is no argument to it, other than someone wanted to make it into one.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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becket

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 17:11

Don't pretend you've never resorted to ad hominem attacks, btnben.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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becket

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 10:47

Clara's posts are not by any stretch of the imagination "passive-aggressive". She has a viewpoint which she expresses clearly and without rancor, and the Orange Puppets simply cannot accept it.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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causeandeffect

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 08:58

Clara, you're the obstinate one. You are having trouble seeing that, I know. Perhaps you need some really good professional counseling to assist you in recognizing your projections and your passive-aggressiveness. It doesn't look good for AA. You've been doing it for 5 years and you are still having these problems. I'd recommend someone who is not a 12 step 2 hatter.

Troll free AA critical forum
http://www.expaa.org/

"The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it." ~ Neil deGrasse Tyson

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Clara

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 11:02

Are we still on this or is this a dupilcate post? Show me where SMART provides that as AA and SMART do it the same way.

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Clara

Sun, 03/04/2012 - 18:52

That happened in MB, too.

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btnben

Sun, 03/04/2012 - 20:07

This is Danny crowing on fornits after his constant trolling forced everyone off. It can happen here if we don't do something

"Don't you morons get it?
by Cuggles » 04 Dec 2011, 03:41

No one comes here anymore because of me. The war on TC's by fornits ended when I got here. Wayne's book sealed the deal. I win. You lose. Good day assholes
Cuggles"

http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=38275

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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JR Harris

Sun, 03/04/2012 - 20:11

Google knows......

Way to go Danny B............... Keep up the good work!

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causeandeffect

Sun, 03/04/2012 - 20:45

It's interesting that those people on fornits hate him so much as to tell him to kill himself.

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becket

Sun, 03/04/2012 - 21:25

That's unfortunate, and it certainly speaks volumes about how stopping drinking/drugging made them better people.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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causeandeffect

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 09:00

What it speaks volumes about is that after 20 years of AA, danny is still such an abuser that he elicits that much hatred towards himself.

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AntiDenial

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 10:20

I am concerned for the Orange site as well.

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btnben

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 10:28

Just sent you an e-mail AD. It's sort of back to front - you know, replies above initial messages etc, but I'm sure you'll work it out

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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avogadno

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 10:31

Why?

Pro Empowerment!
Truth about AA: http://orange-papers.org/menu1.html
Expose AA: http://www.expaa.org/

AntiDenial

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 11:05

That the trolls are having a negative impact on the site.

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becket

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 10:51

What is your concern?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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jonnijoy

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 15:01

You know Becket the troll talk here reminds me of this other site (now defunct called ST). I was 1 of the original posters over there. A couple of years later a thread came up talking about how dangerous AA was and I didnt agree. I was attacked by everybody even though I gave examples of being present at the absolute sleeziest, hardest, low bottom mtgs in NY. NY out of all places! It didnt matter that I was not pro-Aa and had been in and around AA for over 15 years. My experience meant nothing to Anti denial, Jr, and C&E. The thread was at an impasse and finally Mark and Isle who turned out to be self centered scums threw in a sock puppet to make it all ok. The thread was called No-Words. My name was JCal. I really wonder what these people besides Jrs real motives are. It could be that they got slighted by a group, maybe they shared too much., maybe not pretty and didnt get the attention like the good looking girls get, maybe they stayed too long and people didnt care what they had to say anymore (treated like relics), who knows. Hating on AA like they do has to be for a reason and its pretty easy to see the way these people are that it wasnt about being concerned about others journey through recovery. I always wanted to start a thread asking what really made you hate AA, but I knew people would not be honest especially when their ego was at stake. I have witnessed people not getting attention in AA and becoming very angry with program in some of the groups I have attended but I noticed in all the threads involving leaving of AA nobody says this, its always something else. HMMM!

AntiDenial

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 15:32

We have all heard it before. It did not happen in my group story. This very well might be true. This does not mean that it does not happen in other groups. AA actually has become much more dangerous over the years because of the court mandates. Drug Courts have exploded in the last 20 years. We now have Veteran Courts, Family Courts, Mental Health Courts etc. All a spin off from Drug Courts and all mandate AA.

It is a fact that courts mandate killers, rapists, 3rd level sex offenders and very disturbed mentally ill people. This is wrong to encourage /mandate minors to the same meetings. My motive is to protect minors. Courts or parents should not send minors to 12 step meetings period.

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Trisha K.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 16:10

You have provided no evidence that the court mandated people are any more dangerous then they were 25 years ago.
Just a week ago you were arguing that the 2nd, 7th and 9th circuit courts were shutting down the policy.
What gives?

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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Clara

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 16:44

Why would drug courts mandate AA? It's pretty specific about what it is for... I say send them to SMART. AA doesn't want people there that don't want to be there. Some groups refuse to sign the slips by group conscience, so those people move on to other groups.

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btnben

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 16:49

It won't make a blind bit of difference. AA NEEDS fresh blood urgently. Read those pdfs on the Maths. AA is in terminal decline. It can't go on as it is without MORE new blood on top of all the court mandated people. AA is dying rapidly.

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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Trisha K.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 15:34

Since I am a female Danny was not my name. Though I do know a woman named Danni on another site. JCAL I remember you. You had some mixed opinions about AA which caught my interest. I will not divulge my username I used on ST because I use it on my own blog. I don't need the vicious trolling that several members do here on my blog. I am not inclined to ban people for difference of opinions, I actually encourage it. I want to know what people are saying out there concerning AA, SMART, HAMS, SOS ect.....
I have ran my own sites for years so I get the JR's, C&E's, ANti's and ben's of the internet. They are the true trolls constantly trying to turn it around on the people who oppose their beliefs.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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JR Harris

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 15:38

We know.......... (So does Google and you don't have the bandwidth to change it)

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

AntiDenial

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 15:52

Orange is an anti AA site, get a grip and stop trying to stop us protecting minors and other vulnerable people from the AA rooms.

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btnben

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 15:39

Today has been designated "Ignore Danny Monday"...lol

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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JR Harris

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 15:40

Or just Trish?

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btnben

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 15:43

I thought Trisha K was the only one.

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

AntiDenial

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 15:52

I thought becket was Danny too.

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AntiDenial

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 15:40

I missed it- thanks Ben! I am on board. I wish we ignored them all.

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btnben

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 15:41

LOL

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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