Suicides in AA

So you keep saying. But we have moved on. We are now here and you are still a troll.

I am powerless over alcohol, which is why I don't pick it up. Picking it up while knowing what it leads to for me is free will. It's best for me to not even go there. And I aree with that about anger. All of our emotions are useful and can be used positively. It's when they get out of whack that they become damaging. I also believe that depression is repressed anger, something they say in Alanon. When you can get to why you are angry (and people often do not know) you can release it. Some people like to be angry, indignant an the like. It even give some people a rush. Some people are just addicted to fight, as I've seen demonstrated here. I disagree with something that I think you said in another post about alcoholic personality. I can see an chronic alcoholic mind in people.

Since you don't have a degree in psychophysiology nor are you a doctor, scientist or a professor then we can only deduce that this is a novices opinion. I thank you for the effort you put into writing out your opinion. The AA you are describing above probably came to you in a long lost episode of "Outer Limits". The thing I found is common amongst many members here is the need to write the most dramatic experince you can. I mean you folks just load it up. Example, if you witnessed one person who happened to go to AA commit suicide then you saw many commit suicide. Everything is tragic, heart wrenching, the members are called steppers, anger (rage) is everywhere and repressed, AA is causing suicides, hurting children within 500 miles of a meeting, AA accepts, trains and harvest criminals to be organized into groups to go out and gather more steppers.
Many of you gather here to compete who can write the most effective post. There is no concern for the truth just the impact. That is what you want to impact society so they help you get rid of AA. Well folks 99.99% of society doesn't live in the fanaticism that some of you live in. They want rational "garden variety" truth. Simple undramatic evidence that points them in the direction that AA is bad. Guess what that is never going to happen because AA/NA is not bad. The people who attend AA/NA can be bad or do bad things.

I really get a lot out of your posts, good writer and insight.

RIP

Now look, I'm not going to pin her suicide on AA. But here is my point:

By reading her testimony in the Big Book, Florence gives the impression that AA gave her the serenity she needed to save her life. But clearly she was not OK. At all. The danger is that a prospect would read her story, accept it face value, and then wonder what she is doing wrong when "The Promises" don't come true as Florance suggested they did for her. This could cause the prospect/newcomer to think of herself as "constitutionally incapable," which could lead her to sink further into depression. The prospect/newcomer might not understand that Florance's story was nothing more than platitudes. Indeed, I suspect Florance felt an enormous amount of pressure to write the things she wrote even when inside she was not feeling it. Moreover, she might have felt a duty not to share her depression due to fear that she would be letting AA down. Of course, that's just conjecture. But there is always pressure in AA to talk about how great your life is since you started stepping, even when deep down you might be hurting badly. That's when faking it till you make it can turn deadly. It really can be dangerous to believe the dogma.