Your problem is with the Courts and Treatment Centers, not AA! Q&A

I have had NA members argue this point to no end. " Your problem is with the courts-go complain to them". Believe me that is being done as well. But what I am finding is that AA/NA is so cultish they really try to take advantage of the fact that most people do not know how AA is run. Including many newbies in AA that did not come through the system. They will lie straight to your face when they think you are an outsider and dont know the inner working of the these Corporations.

You are right JR you could google all day about H&I groups going into prisons and AA/NA members speaking with glee of their successes of infiltrating prisons.

Another little unknown fact I found out. Some Drug Courts technically do not mandate the signing of court cards. I believe in part because it is true that some groups or members dont like to. So what they do instead to get around this is to have the Drug Court attendee fill out a pre printed form that asks specific questions, like when did they go to a meeting? Where was it located ? What was the name of it?
And they need to write out what they got out of the meeting.

Of course they still need to find a sponsor that will work with them. But some courts have found a round about way to have a plan B for mandating AA. This also allows groups to say they dont technically sign court cards. But it is really splitting hairs ins't it? They still do sponsor and welcome the people into their fold. There mantra is they turn no one away right? So they cannot expect us to believe that that after H&I spend so much time getting criminals to these meetings they will be turned away. They just keep insulting our intelligence like we cant see through their manipulative ways over misconstruing the truth.

A tangled web they weave indeed!

I just found out about two local NAers who were in the same rehab as me, now in prisons (separate prisons, at that) for murder. They were brothers sent to rehab after some sort of trouble--they were on just about everything simultaneously and were scarily comical, like 2 characters out of a Coen Bros. film--and hadn't murdered anyone YET at that point. Apparently tried to rob a drug dealer, got carried away and murdered him. Judge sent them to separate prisons so they'd have less contact with each other. I'm just really not surprised. At all.

I know that has little to do with this topic, but just had to share. "Stick with the winners!"

Insane asylums?

Really.

This sick woman was definitely mentally ill, but she was OUT when she committed her crimes, correct? This fact illustrates your willingness to manipulate the truth, in your claim that, " . . . Somewhere along this chain of command, 'Corrections Committees' and 'Hospital and Institutions' (H&I) committees are formed to go into jails, prisons, rehabs, insane asylums, etc... using individual group members to travel to these places in an attempt to bring them back to the home group . . . " Who actually went into an "insane asylum" and got a day pass for this woman to leave the grounds and commit these crimes?

Is there really such a thing in existence today as an actual "insane asylum"? The whole idea is offensive in a nineteenth century kind of way.

You know, junior, your exaggeration of the facts is just a disturbing and dishonest as anything you claim AA does.

(justified pissed-offness, but still not profane.)

The point is that AA has dangerous people coming and going. In this case the woman had not been an AA member prior to having her boyfriend for lunch. But this was a conditional release. Just because it states she attends when she is out does not mean she was not attending while she was in prison. Most likely was so she could score brownie points.

There are plenty of insane asylums, they are called mental institutions. AA prospects there as well.

And lets not forget that at every portion of the stepper indoctrination, someone is making money.

Whether it is Hazelden selling their crappy inspirational handbooks, rehabs 'giving' out big books, or AA 'counselors' working in the social sercives sector, everyone has their hand in the pot.

Additionally, these people (whom many are very, very mentally ill) are networking and undoubtedly coming up with some really bad ideas.

Perhaps even Ms. Blanton is giving cooking demonstrations during free time.