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Since I left and followed my own spiritual programme, I never looked back,
Thanks so much the Angels that guided me to your site, it is the truth and so be it,
Thanks again ORANGE for all your divine work
Love and Angel Blessings
seaangel
JR Harris
Sun, 01/15/2012 - 18:10
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Welcome seaangle and you are not alone
Your story is all but too familiar to me and I have been active with the AA, NA and Al-Anon for about 6-7 years. I joined because of my wife that I sent to the "premier" rehab in our area where she learned how to sell literature for Alcoholics Anonymous. At first i was very happy that she joined, and actually thought that they saved her life, because they told me they did. My wife became a very good prospect hunter for the AA faith and book selling initiative. After about three to four years, I realized that she was destroying marriages, retirement accounts and college funds for people she had no reason or right too and complained. At that point the leeches of Alcoholics Anonymous set about destroying me. I am not an Alcoholic, I am an angry dry drunk as diagnosed by the con men, rapists and murderers of the local Intergroup recruited from jail, prisons and institutions. Please never call me a "normie" in the vernacular of the followers of Bill Wilson, I have paid way to much for that diagnosis.
Anyway, welcome and if there is anyway to help just ask.
"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.
seaangel
Tue, 01/17/2012 - 10:11
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Thank you, JR Harris.
Thank you, JR Harris.
There is so much here on this site to restore the soul.
Blessings
Seaangel
marietta davis
Tue, 01/17/2012 - 10:57
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certainly no "normie"
If you're not an alcoholic then you're not a dry drunk, junior. You're just an also-ran. This post is very revealing - it tells the story of a man who had no imagination invested in building his marriage and he just let it circle the drain. Are you still married to this prospect hunter? Why did you allow her to trade in your testicles for AA literature? Interesting. Revealing.
JR Harris
Tue, 01/17/2012 - 11:10
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I have been diagnosed as an Angry Dry Drunk on 3 Continents
I see you have gotten something to sink your talons into. Still trying to pry information out of me for a good 4th Step interrogation? You may have to help Newt Gingrich get elected, then maybe when a stepper is in the White House he can send me to Gitmo to water board a confession out of me.
"When you discover a prospect for Alcoholics Anonymous, find out all you can about him. " BB p.90, Working With Others
"Do not be discouraged if your prospect does not respond at once. " BB p.96, Working With Others
"Here was a prospect all right but, by the description, none too promising. " BB p.156, A Vision For You
You are definitely a "by the book" classic prospect hunter. Your tactics are so 20th century, this is the 21st century. Get with it will you marrietta.
"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.
marietta davis
Tue, 01/17/2012 - 11:30
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don't go away yet ... I'm working!
I'd say "nice try" but that would be an exaggeration.
Please, junior, wait right there as I fashion a trophy for you made of Schlitz cans and Cointreau bottles celebrating your honor as the Best Not Really Dry Drunk on Earth For All Time.
JR Harris
Tue, 01/17/2012 - 11:44
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How dare you tell me I don't have a made up Spiritual Disease!
I'll have you know I have gone on dry drunk benders that would make your drunkalog look like the kiddies playground at the Young Peoples in Alcoholics Anonymous that the covens bid on to see who gets to manipulate first.
"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.
marietta davis
Tue, 01/17/2012 - 13:30
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Describe them.
Describe them.
JR Harris
Tue, 01/17/2012 - 13:43
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Creepy old men bid to see who gets the Young People in AA
It all seems to have started with Midtown in AA Area 13 in Washington DC with Mike Q. who was the Sponcee of Clancy I. Well anyway Mike Q. got caught by Marc Fischer at the Washington Post in his column the Raw Fischer. Now they have bidding wars for the ICYPAA conference where they bring all of the kids together and tell them that they have a made up disease that is going to be with them the rest of their lives. The last one was in California where they started the event by taking the kiddies on boat trips to Alcatraz and scaring the you know what out of them. Then later that night they took the kiddies to impress them at the expensive stores next door:
http://stinkin-thinkin.com/2011/09/14/icypaa/
"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.
marietta davis
Tue, 01/17/2012 - 13:52
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$30
Alcatraz is closed except for tours. There's nothing operational about it - no prisoners, no staff. It is not a functioning prison. I was there photographing it at Thanksgiving. It's old and decrepit but hardly nasty enough to scare the shit out of anyone. Who pays for the kids' tickets? They're nearly $30 apiece.
I think you're grasping.
marietta davis
Fri, 01/20/2012 - 11:57
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Noooo
Nooooo, describe your dry drunk benders. We're talking about you here.
You made a claim, junior. Be a man and back it up.
seaangel
Sun, 02/05/2012 - 15:15
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What
what
AntiDenial
Wed, 01/18/2012 - 16:51
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This Is Marietta Davis
This is Marietta Davis wasting more of our time pretending to be seaangel.
I vote to ban Marietta from OP.
Criminals In Alcoholics Anonymous and Narcotics Anonymous
www.nadaytona.org
marietta davis
Tue, 01/17/2012 - 18:29
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*
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marietta davis
Tue, 01/17/2012 - 18:28
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Not likely
Ban one, ban all. Orange is in too deep for that. He'd be a fucking hypocrite if he did so.
It's not sea angle, idiot, it's sea angel. And I'm on this forum under a single, solitary address. I don't have time to be a sea angel.
JR Harris
Tue, 01/17/2012 - 19:12
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Say it isn't so.....................
Members of the AA faith never lie?
"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.
marietta davis
Tue, 01/17/2012 - 21:54
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believe it
I don't speak for AA or Bill Wilson or Lois Wilson or Dr. Bob or your wife's sponsor, sorry, I mean your ex-wife's sponsor. I speak for myself. I have not lied to you. I'm here under one identity and that's my own identity, k? What the fuck is wrong with you?
JR Harris
Tue, 01/17/2012 - 22:11
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So how many people have you talked into a Spiritual Disease?
You haven't been spreading a Spiritual Disease to the masses like Typhoid Mary have you? How many people have you infected?
"Mary Mallon (September 23, 1869 – November 11, 1938), also known as Typhoid Mary, was the first person in the United States identified as an asymptomatic carrier of the pathogen associated with typhoid fever. She was presumed to have infected some 53 people, three of whom died, over the course of her career as a cook.[1] She was forcibly isolated twice by public health authorities and died after nearly three decades altogether in isolation."
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoid_Mary
"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.
seaangel
Wed, 01/25/2012 - 16:15
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Thank you JR Harris,
Thank you JR Harris,
spreading a Spiritual Disease to the masses in the rooms of AA. OH MY GOD SO TRUE
AntiDenial
Wed, 01/18/2012 - 16:54
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He would be smart to ban
He would be smart to ban. How much more do we have to endure?
Another JD problem that took a long time to resolve.
Criminals In Alcoholics Anonymous and Narcotics Anonymous
www.nadaytona.org
Pennywise
Wed, 01/18/2012 - 17:01
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No way
This should not become an AA meeting. We CAN"T roll that way.
"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."
AntiDenial
Thu, 01/19/2012 - 07:03
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Moderated Blogs
There is a reason that blogs are moderated. It is actually very common place for forums to have rules of behavior. Such as no vulgarity, personal attacks, racists remarks etc. Also If it becomes obvious that a troll is on a site exclusively to derail intelligent conversation and then a troll actually becomes multiple trolls to waste more peoples time, I think it is time to look at options. I dont like heavily moderated sites where your comment does not get out just because you are presenting a different point of view. But there should be some limit to disgusting vulgar comments.
Then we have whoever put up Rehab is fraud a zillion times. They are trying to hijack the site IMHO.
The government having a hand in censoring private citizens is totally different then private websites. Because this is America we have the free choice to create site that we have control over.
Criminals In Alcoholics Anonymous and Narcotics Anonymous
www.nadaytona.org
marietta davis
Thu, 01/19/2012 - 21:05
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UNprivate
If people's true feelings are removed you have nothing but a Betty Crocker cookbook, circa 1912. Get real. Your precious "intelligent conversation" goes right down the drain.
If Orange opts to implement censorship here he will dilute everything he has worked for and become nothing more than a corporate voice for "niceness in recovery". Getting off substances is a bitch. Why should it be hidden under euphemisms and etiquette? Or is it that you just can't keep up?
I agree about REHAB IS FRAUD!!!!, and I said so in writing.
Heads up, AD - this is not a private website. Anyone in the world can tap into it. Nothing private about it.
marietta davis
Wed, 01/18/2012 - 17:11
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the unaware AD
How weak are you? How much whining can you churn out? You think censorship is smart? Are you an American citizen? Have you not tried to access Wikipedia today? They have a handle on a problem you may never had heard about. And unless you get your thinking straight you will be the next one to be banished, asshole.
marietta davis
Sun, 01/29/2012 - 23:55
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Please, the bitch can't even
Please, the bitch can't even spell.
marietta davis
Sun, 01/29/2012 - 23:57
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You're wrong, AD
AD - you are mistaken. seangel's grammar is atrocious. I would never post anything that had multiple typos and unfinished sentences. You may hate me, but you know me better than that.
live_free_or_die
Sun, 01/15/2012 - 18:30
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seaangel, thank you for your post
I am truly sorry for your journey through AA, however.......................................
I am buoyed by the fact that we now have another beautiful rose growing among us.
Thank you.
Alcoholics Anonymous: MyNotGodHasItCovered®
http://www.expaa.org/
http://bereanresearch.com/
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
NOT AA:
Rational Recovery, SOS, HAMS
http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/
seaangel
Tue, 01/17/2012 - 10:17
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It's a wonderful feeling to
It's a wonderful feeling to me amongst liked minded,
Thank you,
Blessings
Seaangel
marietta davis
Mon, 01/30/2012 - 00:04
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Oh, seaangel, a rose is still
Oh, seaangel, a rose is still a rose whether trampled or not. It does not become a weed simply because someone's heel grinds upon it. Keep that in your mind, filed under "seametaphor".
marietta davis
Wed, 01/18/2012 - 17:15
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to lfod
pass me that barf bag, please
live_free_or_die
Wed, 01/18/2012 - 19:32
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Can't stomach the Truth Mare?
Alcoholics Anonymous: MyNotGodHasItCovered®
http://www.expaa.org/
http://bereanresearch.com/
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
NOT AA:
Rational Recovery, SOS, HAMS
http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/
marietta davis
Thu, 01/19/2012 - 20:57
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No
Can't stomach your demented version of the not-so-cleverly engineered "truth" that is spread like demon seed on this forum. No, I can't.
massive
Sun, 01/29/2012 - 23:43
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Other blogs are available to discuss that are moderated
it seems like there won't be any moderating here on OP forum. Its become very babyish fighting amonst some. Too bad. I enjoyed blogging here with you and jr and Pennywise and a few others. Perhaps we could carry this over to another blog like mine called www.leavingaa.com I will moderate there. WE can go to the
the thread callled the Long and Winding Road ...I called it that to remind of us of ST The Neverending thread. Same thing. Just an idea. Of maybe live free and die you could start your own blog on wordpress.
Massive
marietta davis
Mon, 01/30/2012 - 00:03
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I can hardly wait!
GREAT!! See you there. Under a different name. Coming in under your door.
marietta davis
Mon, 01/16/2012 - 13:56
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good luck
Sometimes we need to be "turned under" to compost and come up stronger, a better planting medium surrounding our feet, real sunshine to enable growth. I found it in AA, you did not. I don't begrudge you leaving AA and in many ways I understand it; but don't allow the vitriol on this forum to close your mind with regard to options. You will not find equal amounts of support and open-mindedness here. You will find extreme bias, rage, and a fair amount of impotence with regard to turning anger into action. Let them do their thing with you, invite you in, make you welcome. And as your story unfolds, perhaps they will begin their deliberate corrosion on your soul. This is not a happy place to celebrate life choices. It is a furious cauldron of indignation and loathing, where posters claim to be happy and balanced, free of the drudgery of the 12 Steps, but make no mistake: they are anything but free. They are tethered to their own anger here just as they were in any 12-step meeting. Nothing gets resolved here. It is nothing but a constant bitch session. My advice to you, seaangel, is to wisely manage the force of these ill winds and move away from this forum. You will not find fulfillment here, not in camaraderie, not in solutions, not in personal growth, which is almost uniformly scorned here as an AA concept.
Beware the accidental jibe. I wish you luck.
JR Harris
Mon, 01/16/2012 - 14:53
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And exactly why do you keep coming back marietta?
Wouldn't you rather be in the wonderful, joyous rooms of Alcoholics Anonymous? Maybe if you are good they will allow you to go on a group sponsored prospect hunt in the jails and prisons in your area to cheer you up.
"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.
seaangel
Tue, 01/17/2012 - 10:20
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May God and the Angels Bless
May God and the Angels Bless you Marietta and fill your dark soul with light.
Seaangel
marietta davis
Tue, 01/17/2012 - 11:20
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to clarify
As a disenfranchised Catholic, I offer you this, seaangel:
The angels can confer no blessings, dear. They are agents of God but do not have the power to bestow blessings upon us which they themselves generate. The word is used in Hebrew to denote indifferently either a divine or human messenger.
"We know on the authority of Scripture that there are nine orders of angels, viz., Angels, Archangels, Virtues, Powers, Principalities, Dominations, Throne, Cherubim and Seraphim. That there are Angels and Archangels nearly every page of the Bible tell us, and the books of the Prophets talk of Cherubim and Seraphim. St. Paul, too, writing to the Ephesians enumerates four orders when he says: 'above all Principality, and Power, and Virtue, and Domination'; and again, writing to the Colossians he says: 'whether Thrones, or Dominations, or Principalities, or Powers'. If we now join these two lists together we have five Orders, and adding Angels and Archangels, Cherubim and Seraphim, we find nine Orders of Angels." ~ New Advent
"The Nine Choirs of Angels
Seraphim
Cherubim
Thrones
Dominions
Virtues
Powers
Principalities
Archangels
Angels (Regular)
Seraphim
These are the highest order or choir of angels. They are the angels who are attendants or guardians before God's throne. They praise God, calling, 'Holy Holy Holy is the Lord of Hosts'. the only Bible reference is Isaiah 6:1-7. One of them touched Isaiah's lips with a live coal from the altar, cleansing him from sin. Seraphim have six wings, two cover their faces, two cover their feet, and two are for flying.
Cherubim
Cherubim rank after the seraphim and are the second highest in the nine hierarchies or choirs of angels. The Old Testament does not reveal any evidence that the Jews considered them as intercessors or helpers of God. They were closely linked in God's glory. They are manlike in appearance and double-winged and were guardians of God's glory. They symbolized then, God's power and mobility. In the New Testament, they are alluded to as celestial attendants in the Apocalypse (Rv 4-6). Catholic tradition describes them as angels who have an intimate knowledge of God and continually praise Him.
Thrones
Thrones are the Angels of pure Humility, Peace and Submisssion. They reside in the area of the cosmos where material form begins to take shape. The lower Choir of Angels need the Thrones to access God.
Dominions
Dominions are Angels of Leadership. They regulate the duties of the angels, making known the commands of God.
Virtues
Virtues are known as the Spirits of Motion and control the elements. They are sometimes referred to as 'the shining ones.' They govern all nature. They have control over seasons, stars, moon; even the sun is subject to their command. They are also in charge of miracles and provide courage, grace, and valor.
Powers
Powers are Warrior Angels against evil defending the cosmos and humans. They are known as potentates. They fight against evil spirits who attempt to wreak chaos through human beings. The chief is said to be either Samael or Camael, both angels of darkness.
Archangels
Archangels are generally taken to mean 'chief or leading angel' ( Jude 9; 1 Thes 4:16), they are the most frequently mentioned throughout the Bible. They may be of this or other hierarchies as St. Michael Archangel, who is a princely Seraph. The Archangels have a unique role as God's messenger to the people at critical times in history and salvation (Tb 12:6, 15; Jn 5:4; Rv 12:7-9) as in The Annunciation and Apocalypse. A feast day celebrating the Archangels Michael, Gabriel and Raphael is celebrated throughout the Church Sep 29. A special part of the Byzantine Liturgy invokes the 'Cherubic Hymn' which celebrates these archangels and the guardian angels particularly. Of special significance is St. Michael as he has been invoked as patron and protector by the Church from the time of the Apostles. The Eastern Rite and many others place him over all the angels, as Prince of the Seraphim. He is described as the 'chief of princes' and as the leader of the forces of heaven in their triumph over Satan and his followers. The angel Gabriel first appeared in the Old Testament in the prophesies of Daniel, he announced the prophecy of 70 weeks (Dn 9:21-27). He appeared to Zechariah to announce the birth of St. John the Baptist (Lk 1:11). It was also Gabriel which proclaimed the Annunciation of Mary to be the mother of our Lord and Saviour. (Lk 1:26) The angel Raphael first appeared in the book of Tobit (Tobias)Tb 3:25, 5:5-28, 6-12). He announces 'I am the Angel Raphael, one of the seven who stand before the throne of God.' (Tb 12:15)
Principalities
In the New Testament Principalities refers to one type of spiritual (metaphysical) being which are now quite hostile to God and human beings. (Rom 8:38; 1 Cor 15:24; Eph 1:21; 3:10; 6:12; Col 1:16; 2:10, 15) Along with the principalities are the powers (Rom 8:38; 1 Cor 15:24; Eph 1:21; 1 Pt 3:22; 2 Thes 1:7); and cosmological powers (1 Cor 15:24; Eph 1:21; 3:10; Col 2:15);Dominions (Eph 1:21; Col 1:16) and thrones (Col1:16). The clarity of the New Testament witness helps see that these beings were created through Christ and for Him (Col 1:16). Given their hostility to God and humans due to sin, Christ's ultimate rule over them (ibid) expresses the reign of the Lord over all in the cosmos. This is the Lordship of Christ, which reveals God's tremendous salvation in conquering sin and death at the cross, and now takes place in the Church. (Eph 3:10)
Angels
These angels are closest to the material world and human begins. They deliver the prayers to God and God's answers and other messages to humans. Angels have the capacity to access any and all other Angels at any time. They are the most caring and social to assist those who ask for help." ~ www.catholic.org
That is, if you believe that stuff.
Maybe you're just sort of a generic, Madison Avenue, marketing type of angel, one like, say, a Victoria's Secret angel. So here's a lesson for you: word use, image use, concept sharing are all trip wires here at OP. Be careful what you conjure.
JR Harris
Tue, 01/17/2012 - 11:30
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What does the scripture of Alcoholics Anonymous say?
You know, the manipulation manual of an adulterous, wet brained alcoholic named Bill Wilson and his side kick Dr. Bob the one who believed in beating children with modified classic toys?
"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.
seaangel
Wed, 01/18/2012 - 14:40
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Thank God I NEVER READ Scripture marietta davis
We know on the authority of Scripture, YOUR Qoute,
I meant no harm in my reply to you, I was born with a gift of seeing the otherside and the angels,
Sorry Your were mislead, but your loved ones and angels sent the message, to fill your soul with light,
You are hurt and broken hence the black soul, no more it will not be allowed anymore,
Your time as come,
Seaangel
marietta davis
Wed, 01/18/2012 - 17:04
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thank you!
A quote perhaps, but a quote originating on a Catholic website. It's certainly nothing I said.
First, if your gift were genuine you would never have assigned such erroneous characterization to me or my thoughts or beliefs. So for you, it's back to middle school, where we all learn what it means to grow into our lives. So far you ain't got it, babe.
I haven't been mislead by anything - if you believe it is so, please elucidate. Any loved ones I ever had would never waste their time by sending "light", whatever that is. Instead they would send home-baked goods or cash.
I must correct you: I am not "hurt". I understand what it is to live in this world and I am not swayed by Pollyanna bullshit or manipulated by rose colored glasses. I do not have a dark soul. I just speak what I believe to be the truth, and sometimes it takes a dark attitude to adequately convey the thought. So your "no more, it will not be allowed anymore", and your charming but illiterate "Your time as come" are so far off the mark that they make defensive end Jim Marshall look like a human GPS.
No harm intended.
seaangel
Sun, 02/05/2012 - 15:17
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thank you!
thanks
marietta davis
Mon, 01/30/2012 - 00:02
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You are certifiable.
You are certifiable.
btnben
Mon, 01/30/2012 - 02:33
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Dear kettle, regards pot...lol
That's all...lol
God damn it, get me a whiskey
Bill W, Deathbed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc
Persephone In Exile
Wed, 01/18/2012 - 21:22
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"....nothing but a constant
"....nothing but a constant bitch session."
Wow, you still haven't figured out that you're the one doing the constant bitching?
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
marietta davis
Thu, 01/19/2012 - 20:59
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wow ...
While you've been off having your tits lifted there's been plenty of bitching going on on your side of the fence. Catch up, honey.
Persephone In Exile
Mon, 01/30/2012 - 06:57
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Well, if nothing else I'm
Well, if nothing else I'm just thrilled that Marietta referenced my tits!
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
billybudd
Mon, 01/30/2012 - 07:52
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pix pls
Reference without reflective referent and equitable referee is refractory conjecture.
marietta davis
Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:36
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reference
It's a nasty job, but somebody's gotta do it.
seaangel
Sun, 02/05/2012 - 15:18
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Sometimes
Sometimes
marietta davis
Sun, 01/29/2012 - 23:54
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smile!
Smile, seangel, you "are are" shit that encourages growth, too.
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