Gunthar Gate - Rally the troops

First things first.

Gunthar said:

I have a secret. 2015-05-21 14:09

In fact... I have a few of them that will blow the roof off of the anti AA movement.

The fact is, nearly 100% of the folks I've encountered throughout my five or so years as a participant are unstable, hypersensitive, or outright fucking crazy.

Wanna know more?

https://forums.craigslist.org/?ID=261115582

Orange? You okay buddy?

Haven't seen you for a while.

Hope you are okay.

Enough already....OPF, Stinkin thinkin, leaving AA, ...all of you FFS-Let it go already!

NOBODY CARES!
People who come here because they were driven to the main site while researching the insanity that is AA don't give a rat's
ass about squabbles among various AA related websites, blogs, etc......
That's not why they come to take a look and I sure as hell can't blame them for never coming back.

Tales of the absurd in Alcoholics Anonymous. Charles Abbott of Aspen Colorado (AA Area 10 District 14) after allegedly assaulting 75 year old man in AA meeting on May 9, 2015, brings a stuffed Owl to court as his defense...

Aspen defendant enlists stuffed animal as his attorney

Charles Abbott came to court Tuesday with a stuffed animal and placed it on the defense table in front of him.

“He’s a very sensitive guy, has law degrees from Yale, Harvard and Stanford,” Abbott told Pitkin County Court Judge Erin Fernandez-Ely. “I think he’ll be able to represent me before a public defender comes online.”

I miss the Orange-Papers.org/letters

Just wanted to let Orange know! Still check to see if there any new ones.

kindness can be Painful

After 3months of Bosstom blackie crying in pain,finally got him to hospital
was scary fight-wrapped him in blamket and put into a box.
at hospital he tried to rip bite Dr helping him
tests showe feline IV immunodefieicne virus,hemophelia,anemia
and he's got maybe 3 years max to live.Worstis
keeping him in large cage for weeks to feed medicines twice daily
then back to Dr and more exams.got 4shots to help him
Sad-all my cats here got killed,poisoned kicked to death
now this one.i can help him but no cure.

FREE 2015 Film events by REEL Recovery Film Fest and Alcohol Justice

Girl On The Edge
A Film by Jay Silverman
San Francisco Premiere
7 P.M. June 11, 2015
New People Cinema

How I Got Over
A Film by Nicole Boxer
10 A.M. June 13, 2015
Smith Rafael Film Center

The Wisdom To Know the Difference
A Film by Daniel Baldwin
San Francisco Premiere
8 P.M. June 12, 2015
New People Cinema

Source: https://alcoholjustice.org/projects/reel-recovery-film-festival

Why in person support groups for non-existent diseases like “alcoholism” based on the 12-Step meeting format is a dumb idea.

1-Most of the people in these groups have unaddressed underlying issues! The “program” does nothing to address ANY of them. So in essence you’re looking for answers from a bunch of dysfunctional people.
2-No Crosstalk!- What kind of help are you supposed to garner from a “support group” in which conversations or the exchange of ideas during the meeting is forbidden!
3-Listening to people’s horror/war stories is a positive experience how?
4-Individual thought and questioning anything is frowned upon. Again, helpful how exactly?

Is the OPF a....

12 Step cult deprogramming forum?
0% (0 votes)
more concerned about changing how addiction is treated/viewed - especially AA?
67% (2 votes)
Is there any difference between the two?
33% (1 vote)
Total votes: 3

Why do Alcoholics Anonymous (AA/NA/12 Step) members defend the 12 Steps online (i.e. Internet)?

AA members are going against AA Traditions and feel and need to go against them in the defense of the Prophet Bill Wilson
0% (0 votes)
The Members of AA/NA/12 Step feel the need to defend the prophet Bill Wilson
20% (1 vote)
Deluded AA/NA/ 12 Step members have deviated from the Prophet Bill Wilson and wish to go against the Steps and Traditions
0% (0 votes)
All of the above.
60% (3 votes)
Other - Please explain in the comments
20% (1 vote)
Total votes: 5

Gunthar-Gate

Sue Fri, 05/15/2015 - 17:39
Gunthar, It sounds like you didnt know
It sounds like you didn't know that the movie was not suppose to be released. It was unintentional and not meant to cause any harm.

http://www.orange-papers.org/forum/comment/118511#comment-118511

Stepper Cult Joke

When is a stepper, NOT a Stepper? When they facilitate a Smart meeting

Hey Janus, was this review of 12 Steps to Dead yours?

ByKindle Klingeron May 11, 2015

Format: Paperback

Boring

Hmm, I figured being that the person didn't buy the book and I didn't give it to them, they clearly didn't read it. In any case, I'll take the thoughtful critique into consideration for the next one :-)

On a more positive note, these two just came in today as well;

12 Steps to FREEDOM
ByLaura Tompkins "Laura T"on May 11, 2015

Format: PaperbackVerified Purchase

Police Taser unruly patron outside of Sonoma County Alano Club, 1050 Petaluma Blvd. N. Petaluma, CA - AA Service Area 06 District 12

Man throwing punches at Petaluma alcoholics anonymous club stunned by Taser, arrested

BY RANDI ROSSMANN
THE PRESS DEMOCRAT
April 29, 2015, 9:03AM

Petaluma police said a man who punched a worker in the face at an alcoholics anonymous club was then hit with a police Taser barb when he took a fighting stance and taunted an officer to fire the shock weapon.

New Age Yoga Cults and Sex Abuse.

Not so much about AA per say, but if you read the article, the Child who was abused in one of these cults was a a certified drug and alcohol counselor. http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2014/12/australias-underage...

12 Step groups are often credited with "rewiring your brain" (behavior and brain modification). Is 12 Step such as AA trying to rewire your brain to the left or right side of the brain?

12 Step (AA,NA,etc...) is right brain dominant relying on faith
0% (0 votes)
12 Step (AA,NA,etc...) is left brain dominant relying on logic to switch you to right brain faith
20% (1 vote)
12 Step (AA,NA,etc...) is right brain dominant causing confusion because it uses left brain logic in brainwashing
20% (1 vote)
12 Step (AA,NA,etc...) uses left brain slogans and logic in a right brain organization
0% (0 votes)
Other - Please explain without using 12 Step Slogans (which come from the stereotyped left brain)
60% (3 votes)
Total votes: 5

Brain Structure And Belief

It seems that an ability to believe in a personal God may be determined by the structure of one's brain. Since I have been on the OPF, I have noticed that many anti-AA's are inclined to excessive 'left-brain' thinking. In a few cases, I was wondering if they might even be somewhere on the autistic spectrum. Then I came across this article on the link between autism and atheism:

A lesson for the lost sheeple.

Ok, so I'm reading this really cool book and I have to leave some quotes over the next few days because the guy is dead on, funny and thinks much like I do-lol It's "50 Popular beliefs that people think are true" by Guy Harrison. From pages 33-34;

Update - It's Been, Like, Forever!

I just wanted to give anyone interested an update on my current situation. My husband has been totally 100% out of AA for months now and does not regret it one single bit. He has totally admitted that he bought their bullshit that he would start drinking and doing drugs again if he didn't attend meetings regularly. And he's mad about it, too.

What happens if you spend too much time in the "roomz"

"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: if we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we've been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back". CARL SAGAN....

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