Footnote 125 of The Soul of Sponsorship

Mary Darrah in her book on Sister Ignatia tells the story of the time Sister Ignatia prayed the Stations of the Cross with Bill Wilson. "Bill began to sense a relationship between the cross of Christ and the suffering of the alcoholic." Bill identified most with Jesus being nailed to the cross (Station 11) and the plea of the dying Christ, "I thirst! My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? 133.

Footnote 106 of The Soul of Sponsorship

This is published by Hazelden, the world's foremost authority for treating the medically recognized disease colloquially known as "alcoholism":
Pass It On, Chapter 16, has a wonderful description of the time Bill heard voices who gave him their names in Nantucket. Their exact names checked out both in the graveyard and in the whaling museum.

Hall of Trolls

At a little over 3yrs old it strikes me we've seen a few Trolls & survived more than one war. Prehaps we should have a troll register or even a specific place to debate them. Anyway I thought I'd start a list of memorial troll names.

I just commented on the fix

I'm laughing at myself cause it came out so poetic. It's one of Julliet's articles titled 'The 12 steps backwards." Really creative enjoyable read.

The Neglected Spouse/Family

Why is this considered acceptable in A.A.? (Even the Big Book says that the family will feel neglected, but just fuck 'em.) Shouldn't addicts be working on repairing their relationships with their family? It just doesn't make sense. Here are some random posts I found on the Internet. This is a COMMON problem.

Consolidating Efforts & holding out olive branches (Part 2)

In my first entry I appolagized for my behaviour & suggested if we worked together even a tiny little bit & pushed, consistantly in the right direction we would go on to gr8 things, at the very least given social media & skills of some of the writers/posters here we could certainly raise awareness of the problems/dangers of 12 steps.

Rising Suicide Rates Spur Global Push on Prevention

Rising suicide rates spur global push on prevention

By Michael DharPublished

The stigma surrounding issues of mental health and suicidal behavior still stands as a sad barrier to treatments proven to save lives. Today (Sept. 10), a global event aims to blunt that stigma and raise awareness that suicide is preventable.

National Center For Safety Initiatives

NATIONAL CENTER FOR SAFETY INITIATIVES
http://www.ncsisafe.com/ Website for NCSISAFE

PROTECTING THE VULNERABLE POPULATION

Anonymous People

I just saw this documentary. While I agree that people with substance abuse problems need help, what can we actually do for them? 12-Step doesn't work. Do we really want to bankrupt our already overburdened healthcare system by mandating that insurers pay for 12-based inpatient recovery programs?

The Rise of Islam and Boniface

This looks like a snippet from a larger lecture, so Islam is not mentioned much. Still, good AA history:

The "cult" with no leaders, no covert goals and no mechanisms for control

According to the Orange Papers, AA is a cult. Cults can only operate if someone is in control because cults need to have power over their members. So, who is pulling the strings in AA? Names? We know the names of the leaders of cults such as Scientology, but the only name we have for AA is Bill Wilson. However, as he has been dead for a long time, he is in no position to exert any control. There are no leaders in AA.

Why i don't like the label "stepper"

Granfalloon..a feeling of them..and us. A cult tactic,i learnt that by reading the Orange Papers. When i read about it i instantly identified from my years in AA,the term "normal people" was always used,i seldom went to a meeting where i didn't hear it. As a disturbed and lost young person it reassured me in some way,i think it was the thought that the people "outside" were different..and that the people around me were like me,my family..this is exactly what i was seeking at the time,reassurance,love and most of all acceptance. i was like the fly and the spider web.

"Drunks" by Peter Cohn. "The Ground Breaking Feature Film About Alcoholics Anonymous" and the 1995 propaganda associated with it, an all star cast and I have never heard of it before...?

Published on YouTube Jan 18, 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IguspdTqfQ

Actor-comedian Richard Lewis and Academy Award winners Faye Dunaway and Dianne Wiest lead an all-star case that includes Amanda Plummer, Parker Posey, Spalding Gray, Calista Flockhart and Sam Rockwell in this poignant story of friendship, survival and redemption.

Jim Battle is gone

I hate to have to ban people, but the situation in the forum became totally wrecked and out of control.
The people who were begging for a few people to get banned were right.

I had to block Jim from posting, and also an opponent who viciously attacked him, calling him a cunt.
I know I've been too tolerant of attacks on others, but the rule still exists, and I'm going to have to enforce it more if things don't cool down.

So now we have no need of any further attacks on Jim Battle or his religious proselytizing. It's history. He's gone.

The Religion of Jim Battle

Our Jim, who aren't in his right mind,
Hollow be his head,
Thy bullshit come & won't be done,
In heaven much less earth,
Give us this day, our daily spam,
& persecute christians that don't agree with you
Lead us not into false churches,
But deliver us to be "real" christians.
In the name of true christians, whose proof is on you tube, the bullhorn & the bus
Amen

Compare these quotes

Bill Wilson:
Arrived at this point, we were squarely confronted with the question of faith. We couldn't duck the issue. Some of us had already walked far over the Bridge of Reason toward the desired shore of faith. The outlines and the promise of the New Land had brought lustre to tired eyes and fresh courage to flagging spirits. Friendly hands had stretched out in welcome. --Big Book pg. 53
Boniface: http://www.biography.com/people/st-boniface-9219073#becoming-a-missionary

Orangies Implosion in Process

(itisi,brett,ben,gunthar,c&e)

Support Janus, AntiDenial, Jim Battle, Simon Templar and NoAAUK.

Jim Battle counterfeit christian cunt

Fuck off Jim

Are Christians Narrow-minded? (Overcoming "Addictions" and "Cult Religion" - Part 5)

Before A.A. came on the scene, millions of drunks became Christians and quit drinking immediately and for good. So why do some people believe that this doesn't happen now? To answer this question let's look at ten very poor reasons people give for rejecting Christianity. In my last post we looked at the third reason, now let's look at the fourth.

4) It is narrow-minded to think that Jesus is the ONLY way.

Is Jim Battle a Asset or Liability to this forum.

A) Asset
31% (5 votes)
B) Liability
69% (11 votes)
Total votes: 16

JimBattle, AntiDenial, and NoAAUK

are cunts who don't give a shit about the suffering that goes on in the rooms. They don't care if you still care about some people in the rooms. This site is the best site, the most well known and unfortunately people do look here and they tell me WE ARE HATERS.

3rd Circuit Court upholds conviction of Timothy McGee for insider trading information he got at AA despite he had no "Fiduciary Duty" to be upheld because of AA and AA Clubhouse rules.

I apologize in advance for the legal talk this article involves. I believe that it is a US 3rd Circuit Court action that nullifies the "confidentiality" clause that AA and its Clubhouses try to claim as reasons that they can not be held accountable for the information they gather at AA meetings that they use for personal gain.

Is Christianity a Crutch? (Overcoming "Addictions" and "Cult Religion" - Part 4)

Before A.A. came on the scene, millions of drunks became Christians and quit drinking immediately and for good. So why do some people believe that this doesn't happen now? To answer this question let's look at ten very poor reasons people give for rejecting Christianity. In my last post we looked at the first two reasons, now let's look at the third.

3) Christianity is a crutch.

Book Club

My husband misses the community of AA. And, I have to admit, one of the few benefits I received from Al-Anon was the opportunity to interact with people socially. So my husband and I are forming a book club so we can hang out with friends, yet be able to discuss something other than how bat-shit crazy we are, our pathologies, and the 12-Steps.

Anti-medications program at the V.A.


BLOG NOTE: 2014.08.16:

An open letter to The FIX web site, a comment on an article about using mental techniques to
replace pain medications in Veterans:



A VA Clinic Tries a New Course

New England vets will be treated with a process called "ACT."

Veterans and others seeking relief from chronic pain could be spared joining the millions unwillingly addicted to narcotic pain pills. So what is "Acceptance Community Therapy?"

Performance Evaluation

I’m now >2 weeks short of 6 months since I signed up in this “forum” and the time is appropriate for me to do a 6-month Performance Evaluation (just like the one your supervisor does of you when you’re new on the job and still on probation status). This isn’t a self-evaluation; it’s my evaluation of what this forum has been to me, provided to me and done for me. Like typical employee evaluations, this one is based on a grading scale and it includes a bottom-line judgement of the overall value of the forum.

Does True Christianity Still "Work"? (Overcoming "Addictions" and "Cult Religion" - Part 3)

Before AA came on the scene, millions of drunks became Christians and quit drinking immediately and for good. So why do some people believe that this doesn't happen today? To answer this question let's look at ten very poor reasons people give for rejecting Christianity. In this post we will look at the first two.

1) Christians are hypocrites.

Very Offensive

When people attack me or Christians or Atheists on forums like this although I must admit to being offended, I accept that people will have different view points and may react to opposing beliefs........but when a Vietnam Combat Veteran is abused on this forum, more than once...I realise there is something seriously wrong with the OPF.

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