My true recovery

I only went to one rehab and it was a 30 day rehab. The clinical director could not stand AA because he felt it promoted lazy thinking. He felt AA took the responsibility away from the person who abuses alcohol in two ways, one by passing the recovery over to god and two it was pre-determined that you would be an alkie, because you have the gene and it is a disease.

The Monkey Puzzle Tree

A bit of Trivia in response to a photo posted by Terry on His Letters Page

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: April 16, 2014 - Tennessee Substance Abuse Treatment Facility Agrees to Resolve False Claims Act Allegations for $9.25 Million

The Department of Justice announced today that CRC Health Corp. (CRC) has agreed to pay $9.25 million to the federal government and the State of Tennessee to settle allegations that CRC knowingly submitted false claims by providing substandard treatment to adult and adolescent Medicaid patients suffering from alcohol and drug addiction at its facility in Burns, Tenn. CRC, based in Cupertino, Calif., is a nationwide provider of substance abuse and mental health treatment services.

Lindsay Lohan reveals that the list of her sexual partners was revealed as a part of the 5th Step of AA the Betty Ford Clinic.

Well we all know that what is said in an AA meeting is supposed to stay at the meeting. Here is an example of the "sexual inventory" of AA going very bad. If you remember Lindsay Lohan was court ordered into rehab.


Ad hominem…..etc…..of AA trolls

We all know what it means and for the most part I agree that we should dismantle the message, not the messenger…..
There is one notable exception in my opinion but first let me state why I think that exception is acceptable.

if god helps fine, therapy fine, watching clouds fine, willpower fine

what is not fine
is when they tell me
instead of letting me decide
what works for me
and defame and undermine me
for what helps me
or say their way - whatever - it might be
is THE way and that i MUST agree with their logic / ideology et al
but you a;already know that

warm fuzzy

this was a hug..when i was in" treatment"
looking back it was love bombing
did this happen in the rest of the world?

What happened,what im like now..

This is the only place where i can post this,and be understood..i hope
3 treatments and then 6 years of hardcore AA,another 4 years before i walked away and became a drinker again.I was twenty when it started,30 when i began to drink again.I thought i was fine,but the seeds had been sown
then the trouble started
Around the time i drank again i married,my son was born profoundly disabled and so began a change in direction in my life,hospitals,therapists,..24/7 crisis..and some of the funniest,moving times in my life.

Active opiate users save lives others?
This has got to be the most audacious act of service for addicts I have ever heard about.

Active heroine
This has got to be the most audacious act of service for addicts I have ever heard about.

Alcoholics Anonymous' Online Store

Alcoholics Anonymous' Online Store

Although I only go to the occasionally to track down a quote or something, I thought I new what they were up to at least mainstream. I didn't know they had an online store/website.

Book Club - AA: Cult or Cure

Monday, April 21, 2014


6:30 PM to 8:30 PM

Coffee Garden
2904 Franklin Blvd, Sacramento, CA (map)

We'll be discussing Alcoholics Anonymous: Cult or Cure? by Charles Bufe (nonfiction - culture).

Alcoholics Anonymous (AA): Mind Control 101

A description of AA as a cult.

This article tells in the first person how Alcoholics Anonymous has all the qualities of cult.
~ Dantalion Jones

= = =

Why I Quit AA

A sober alcoholic’s journey back to individuality

How many times does your average Stepper Cult Spiritual Giant utter the word ‘Resentment’ in their 12 step career?

1,000,000 times
0% (0 votes)
2,000,000 times
0% (0 votes)
3,000,000 times
0% (0 votes)
Millions of millions of times
20% (1 vote)
Fuck knows, I’m just glad I don’t have to hear that word again
80% (4 votes)
Total votes: 5

Is alcohol mentioned only once to the stepper god being mentioned 6 times in those 12 steps?

Yes, steppism is just a religious cult falsely presented to the public as a support network for substance misusers
100% (2 votes)
No, steppism is a genuine support network for substance misusers which has saved the lives and sanity of millions of blah! blah!
0% (0 votes)
Total votes: 2

12 stepping for the non-twelve stepper

I’m a huge fan of the 12-step program. I don’t care if you’re trying to overcome an addiction to food, drugs, porn or puppies.

I’ve read the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous and I know all 12-steps in theory if not actually in practice.

You see, I’m not recovering from anything but plain old life. I’m a “cradle Christian”. In religious vernacular that means I’ve been going to church for my whole life—pretty much cradle to now and most likely, cradle to grave.

Man Arrested Before Going to AA Meeting for Voyeurism

AA Member Arrested For Voyeurism in Target Dressing Room Using His Cell Phone

PERKINS TOWNSHIP, Ohio — A female victim physically restrained a man who had been using his cell phone to videotape her as she changed in a Target dressing room, Fox 8 News reports.

According to a Perkins Township Police report, Zachary Ray Van Zandt, 21, of Sandusky, has been charged with voyeurism and disorderly conduct.

The real intent of AA’s “Suggested 12-Steps”

One of the first defenses that you will here when it comes to AA’s dogmatic 12 Step Religion is that it is not written in stone and that it is open for interpretation, that you can “take what you want and leave the rest”, that its steps are mere “suggestions” and that you need not follow them to the letter. Then they will tell you that AA does not claim to be the only solution or that it even advances the idea that only it has the answers. Those are all lies and in the final paragraph I’ll prove it. In the meantime, let me share with you what those 12 “suggestions” really imply….

Freedom of speech?

Imagine then a fleet or a ship in which there is a captain who is taller and stronger than any of the crew, but he is a little deaf and has a similar infirmity in sight, and his knowledge of navigation is not much better. The sailors are quarrelling with one another about the steering -- everyone is of opinion that he has a right to steer, though he has never learned the art of navigation and cannot tell who taught him or when he learned, and will further assert that it cannot be taught, and they are ready to cut in pieces anyone who says the contrary.

Al Gore/Sociology-Addictions

Between the most basic and primative prt of our brain ,responsible for bodily functiond and instinct
and the last structure within the brain to evolve,the part responsible for abstract thought and
known as the NEOCORTEX, is teh huge portion of our brain that governs emotion,called the LIMBIC SYSTEM.
In a very real sense ,the idea that human beings can function as disembodied intellects translates
into the absurd notion that the functions of the NEOCORTEX are the only workings of our brains
that matter. ...

Organisation of the Anti Stepper Movement

I think it is probably time the Anti Stepper Movement went up a gear and became more organised, J has recently posted about this movement needing organisation. Especially with recent events showing a certain amount of dissention in the ranks. I've spoke to Monica about the creation of an Anti Alcoholics Anonymous website or AAA. Rolf Ankermann has also suggested the very same idea.


How did an obvious religious (or satanic dependant on your point of view) cult, which was an off shoot of another cult know as the Oxford Group, with co -founders such as chain smoking, acid taking, conman and sexual predator Bill Wilson and child battering Bob Smith manage to so dominate the field of substance misuse? This cult apparently doesn't even work as an aid to a substance misuse problem, is full of mentally disturbed individuals, suicides, control freaks and sexual predators.

A professional GOT IT!

I have battled depression off and on since I was 12 and I am almost 50. I have been having some very low points lately and have been seeing my psychiatrist more to try to get my meds right. I saw her this morning and she completely got what I was saying about AA and 12-step. I had a feeling she understood before because she never called me on my complaints or tried to correct me on them. Today she acknowledged that she absolutely understood where I was coming from, wow, relief. She is fairly young, so more professionals might be catching on, or at least I hope so.

Noise Pollution

I guess adding the O’Jays doing “Backstabbers” was probably supposed to be witty, make a point, deliver a message or some other exceedingly clever thing, but being assaulted by it every time I open up this forum is just noise pollution to me.

Can’t Admin please kill the audio on that thing?

expressing upset personal feelings, does not make OPF "look bad"

in aa everybody walks around with fake smiles
repressing personal upset feelings
only takes their own inventory
anger is called a defect
etc et al

99.999% of the time
when someone says i wish you'd die
its not meant literally
its because they are so upset
that they are using wild words
which expresses deep upset feelings
and we've all said stuff like that

police officers call it jestering
and they won't press charges for it



Personal attacks on others are not allowed. == Orange

What is the first step to freedom from alcoholism?

Do I need to admit to myself that something is seriously wrong in my life? “Yes”
Do I need to admit to myself that I have created messes in my life? ‘Yes”
Is my whole life a mess, or maybe just important parts are a mess? “My whole life”
Can I admit this to myself? “Yes”
Can I stop playing the game alcoholic? “Yes”
Can I realize that my life has become unmanageable in many ways? “Yes”
Do I continue to do things that I later regret doing and tell myself that I will not do them again, but I do? “Yes”

US Law

Why do US Courts continue to mandate people to attend the off shoot of a 1930's cult? I don't know much about US Law but I've heard often that it is against your Law to force somebody into a religion, and AA has been declared a religion in some States (perhaps due tom the fact that God is mentioned 6 times in those 12 steps).

Why does this Court mandating to AA still occur in the US?


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