www.orange-papers.org

Now gather around I have something to say
I’m going to tell you about a game alcoholic’s play
You get you a group maybe five or ten
Someone has a problem and you begin

Now the problem is something old Joe brings up
Everyone says ‘why don’t you’ and Joe says ‘yes but’
The group is quiet not a word is said
Everyone suspects that he’s been had
Old Joe setting there with a smile on his face
When Soberman jumps up and puts him in his place

Don't miss Massive's show tomorrow! The topic looks very interesting..even you may wanna listen in, marietta.

Donna Cornett, founder of Drink Link Moderation, will be appearing as a guest.

7 PM EST. Be there or be rare.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/saferecovery

Edit: Oops. Looks like the show got moved to Wednesday!

Comment remvoed as I said I would do.

While researching something unrelated, I stumbled upon this in Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_inhibition

Addiction model of hypersexuality
Main article: Sexual addiction

(Apologies for length. Cross-posted at my dinky little blog;)

Well, mission accomplished. I went back to a meeting at my former "home group", and while I knew it would look very, very different from my perspective of not being even in a semi-chronic state of relapse (rather, from the perspective of being completely clean for an extended period), it was more of a mess than I had thought it would be.

Florida is one of the states that has put in place the systematic looting of a persons assets to "help" them hit bottom using the Jellinek curve. All that it takes is a loved one who has been approached and talked into this treatment by a prospect hunter of the Alcoholics or Narcotics Anonymous faith. The "victim" being "saved" has to pay for these services whether they want to or not. It is very easy to do and lawyers have even set up shop to help facilitate this as can be seen by the following sites:

The most common rebuttal of the Alcoholics Anonymous faith when confronted with the fact that their membership is highly skewed towards mandated attendance consisting of court or program forced attendance (Employee Assistance Program (EAP), Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV), etc...) is that it is not the problem of AA, it is the problem of the Court System or the coercive agency.

Here is a rather long article on the disease theory but it's a good read:

Submitted by Baldwin Research Institute Fri 01/27/2006. Addiction Info.

"In 1976, the writer Ivan Illich warned in a book, Limits to Medicine, that 'the medical establishment has become a major threat to health'. At the time, he was dismissed as a maverick, but a quarter of a century later, even the medical establishment is prepared to admit that he may well be right. (Anthony Browne, April 14, 2002, the Observer)"

I was just reading some blogs on another site and this idea seemed perfect to me. Stay anonymous in an anonymous meeting - brilliant. The blogger in question was talking about hiding a voice recorder, but with the right design and manufacture you could hold a whole recording studio under one of those things...lol.

I've definitely got too much time on my hands today...lol. This made me laugh too :-

AA and the Salvation Army have had strong ties since the early days of AA’s founding. The SA is known for its strong Christian roots and began in the later 1800’s by an evangelical minister named William Booth. Booth’s first Christian converts were thieves, prostitutes, and drunks. He promised them salvation through Christ and gave hope to those in the most need.