CBS 48 Hours to run the Karla Brada Alcoholics Anonymous story on Saturday November 29, 2014 at 10 p.m. ET/PT. Preview of the show "The Sober Truth"

Published on Nov 25, 2014
All new: A young woman, an alcoholic, thought she found help and a safe place -- what she found was a killer. "48 Hours" correspondent Maureen Maher reports Saturday, Nov. 29 at 10 p.m. ET/PT on CBS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feP863kXbcw

Why Doesn't AA Shut Down The Orange Papers?

Orange's latest blog post suggests that anyone with decent IT skills and a grudge against this site can put it out of action with very little effort. That being the case, and given that AA is a malevolent, wealthy cult with influence that extends far and wide (according to the Orange Papers), why doesn't AA simply shut the site down for good?

Perhaps it doesn't do so because it is simply a self-help group with no great power, influence, or desire to harm its detractors?

Dull, I know, but true.

Problems on the site

This is old news, but I'm going to post it anyway just to clarify the issues:

A bunch of people emailed to me to say that the web site was down. Thanks for all of the messages, although I didn't see them until it was all over.

Orange..links on website

Hi Orange,

I'm unable to open http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-root570.html#Dinger

I found the link @ "Added more documentation about the Catholic Church banning Dr. Frank Buchman's Oxford Group and Moral Re-Armament, here."

I'm interested in reading that and also want to give you a heads up.

Thanks!

The Freedom to Recover

is a good easy read. I highly recommend it to anyone who wants to recover from an addiction or deprogram from being a 12 step victim. Come, take back your power. Thank you Rolf Ankerman. I hope more people write more books. :-)

The Gang of Four is no more

The Gang of Four have left the OPF, although one ex-member has publicly relapsed.

The Freedom to Fabricate by Rolf Angerman

Angerman claims to be a professional in the dependency field.

Angerman defines a professional as: "A professional is anyone who get's paid for what they do".

Really?

So a hamburger flipper at Mcdonalds is a professional? NOT

The Heresy of the Twelve Steps - Idolatry (Part 13)

In the essay titled "The Heresy of the Twelve Steps", Orange points out that AA teaches that five things won't happen for you if your personal version of "God" or "Higher Power" doesn't deliver miracles on demand.

To continue to help him show just how much AA's teachings differ from the teachings of the Bible I'm going to address THE LAST THING that supposedly won't happen which is...

Dr. William Mora

Dr. William Mora got his education from Loma Linda University

Loma Linda University (LLU) is a Seventh-day Adventist coeducational health sciences university located in Loma Linda, California, United States.

William posted "The literature of Natural Recovery or Self Change accepts change that accompanies someone that is in a religion and attributes that change to their religion."

CAN YOU SAY STEPPER OF ANOTHER SHADE!
So you DOOOO believe in Faith Healing!!!!!! Thought so :-)

Should the boxer Tony Bellow be sanctioned for asking Nathan Cleverly (the WBO light heavyweight Champion of 2010) if he still goes to Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) meetings?


I guess it is an insult to ask if you have been to an AA meeting lately. Have they read the Alcoholics Anonymous literature claiming that it is alright to be an AA member?

Tony Bellew could face boxing authorities after 'Alcoholics Anonymous' insult to opponent Nathan Cleverly

By By Martin Domin for the Daily Mail
Published: 22:34 GMT, 20 November 2014 | Updated: 08:08 GMT, 21 November 2014

The Freedom to Recover-Caveat Emptor-3 Misinformation-1

Misinformation is false or inaccurate information that is spread unintentionally.

Introduction

“For far too long, alcoholism has been seen as a "disease" in which those afflicted have absolutely no personal control of their plight.”

Goodbye

DO you believe substance depedency does not exist - for anyone?

yes
29% (2 votes)
no
71% (5 votes)
Total votes: 7

The Freedom to Recover-Caveat Emptor-2 The Book

In my prior posting I mentioned problems of Ethics with the Author's description of himself...."working in the field of dependency..." and he may have his shit together, and if so, it would serve him well to change this description as this is not accurate.

The book in the front cover states “The Freedom to Recover” and then goes on to say that it is “An evolutionary and realistic guide to overcoming alcoholism without the dogma of the AA church and the 12 step religion”

The Freedom to Recover-Caveat Emptor-1 The Author

The Freedom to Recover---Caveat Emptor-1 The Author: Who is Rolf Ankermann According to Rolf Ankermann as stated on the Amazon site promoting a book he wants you to read? I read in about 30 minutes and it is filled with misinformation.
  • About the Author Rolf Ankermann is one of an ever-growing group of professionals working in the dependency field who flat out do not accept the "disease" model of addiction.
  • OPF Joke

    All is peaceful at OPF Heaven, God is sat at his throne, JR Harris is sat at His right hand, Rolf Ankermann is sat at His left hand....then Brett rolls up at the 'pearly gates.' "Who are you?" God asks. Brett replies "Brett......and you are sat in MY seat."

    do you respect the individual's right to either a disease, behaviour disorder or other diagnosis?

    yes
    25% (2 votes)
    no
    50% (4 votes)
    ..... another notion just crossed my mind.
    0% (0 votes)
    ......honestly ....its kind of a blur
    0% (0 votes)
    .....needs more cow bell !
    25% (2 votes)
    Total votes: 8

    Meeting Makers Make It?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????

    Ok, AA's slogans and mantras are so vague, self-serving and full of shit that they simply need to be torn to shreds. I already eviscerated "It works if your work it", so now it's time for another one.

    MEETING MAKERS MAKE IT!

    Make what? duh, lots of MEETINGS silly!

    Ummmm, OK, and the implications of that would be?..................

    Well from the AA cult standpoint this of course implies that if you don't regularly attend meetings then you won't make IT. Not again with that definitive "it"!

    What is Sponsorship in Alcoholics Anonymous? What makes a person in AA a Sponsor? What is the difference between a Sponsor and a friend in AA?

    Joanne and Patrick Fry have been served with a wrongful death lawsuit of Karla Brada along with Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, Inc. and the Santa Clarita Intergroup of AA. The lawsuit claims that the couple acted as sponsors to Karla Brada and the man convicted of her murder Eric Allen Earle, The Frys have gone to the newspapers claiming that they were not sponsors, just friends in AA. How do you determine if someone is a Sponsor or not?

    "Breaking News" Jerry/Jim Battle Admits AA's god & bible god one & the same.

    Jim Battle aka Jerry the known internet troll & serial social pest, banned, ignored & ridiculed on many forums including this one freely admits in his posts that his god of the bible, the same bible rewritten by the gay king James is an alternative to the god of AA, all other aspects of the faith healing program remain the same though. The success rate of both gods remains the same, that is less than the rate of natural remission.

    If AA disempowers you? How do You empower yourself?

    Why do people walk into AA? Some are sent, some are forced, many willingly go because they are at a low point in their life and may be depressed. They go, encounter the notion that they are powerless over “alcohol”, not powerless, just over alcohol or whatever substance they may be using. Too often, those believing that they are in the know wrongly assume that in AA you are told you are powerless. They then go on to provide a diatribe about that and that is just wrong. The readers should know that no one is powerless over some hydrocarbon.
    To change you must embrace change.

    Readers, anyone, former AA, present AA, the BB and Officiall AA literature teaches people what stops their drinking.

    A ridiculous question would be, where in the steps does AA teach anyone how to stop drinking. The answers, to the superficial purveyor believes that the answer would jump right out at you, causing some to believe that they must be missing something because they cannot immediately see it.
  • Understanding that AA was a program without a book, as the official AA literature states, before the BB we were a secret society, and then became a program with a book....it is often missed where this is taught.
  • Neuroplasticity

    I am motivated and intend to oppose the entire 12 step industry and engage in a dialogue that causes those in the 12 step industry to pause and reflect on what it is they believe that they are being taught Words have meaning. If you consider that …..Harm Reduction is a middle of the way approach…noting that Change is part and parcel of the program…as it is stated…. “Alcohol Harm Reduction does not seek to force individuals to change in ways which they do not choose for themselves.”

    The Heresy of the Twelve Steps - Idolatry (Part 12)

    In the essay titled "The Heresy of the Twelve Steps", Orange points out that AA teaches that five things won't happen for you if your personal version of "God" or "Higher Power" doesn't deliver miracles on demand.

    To continue to help him show just how much AA's teachings differ from the teachings of the Bible I'm going to address THE FOURTH THING that supposedly won't happen which is..

    Hello, I am your Disease

    I Hate meetings...I Hate higher powers...I Hate anyone who has a program. To all who come in contact with me, I wish you death and I wish you suffering.

    Allow me to introduce myself, I am the disease of addiction. I Am cunning, baffling, and powerful. That's Me. I have killed millions and I am pleased.

    NEWS UPDATE: 11-16-2014 "AA still failing 95%

    NEWS UPDATE: 11-16-2014 "AA still failing 95%
    AA STILLS SAY"S IT"S WORKING !

    THANK YOU, WE are GRATEFUL for YOUR COMPLIANCE!
    signed -
    THE AA TROLLS

    Huh?

    Who's online

    Who's online

    There are currently 0 users online.

    OPF Users may overheat.

    Factual Stepper Cult Joke

    What's the difference between an Atheist and Bill Wilson?.............an atheist who undergoes the belladonna treatment for a drink problem claims er.....whatever they claim, actually I don't know any atheists that have undergone the belladonna treatment, perhaps somebody can enlighten me as to what such a person actually claims? Bill Wilson undergoes the belladonna treatment for a drink problem and claims to have had a 'Spiritual Experience'.........and starts a cult

    Bite MY ASS/HELP/NOT

    These years on OPF have done exactly JACK fckng shit to help me with my problems. hatred this and fck this and wussy wussy that gee this sucks and wow that sucks.but as far as helping me with my life FCK U.

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